

Ep 414: From 1999 to Here: How the Triumph of Low Culture Created Our Political Moment, with Ross Benes
Jul 11, 2025
Ross Benes, an author and journalist known for his work with Esquire and the Wall Street Journal, discusses how the chaotic pop culture of the late '90s, like Jerry Springer and Insane Clown Posse, has reshaped our political landscape. He examines the rise of low culture and its effects on democracy and political dynamics, questioning if today's reality TV tactics are a necessary evolution. The conversation also explores how entertainment influences identity and community, particularly in the era of social media.
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Jerry Springer Shaped Modern Politics
- Jerry Springer's show demonstrated how shock and sensation can capture attention without substantive content.
- This style of entertainment influenced the combative nature of modern reality TV and politics.
Low Culture's Historic Roots
- The low versus high culture divide is long-standing and rooted in elitism, originating from pseudoscience like phrenology.
- In the 90s, low culture overtook popular entertainment, gaining influence amid deregulated media.
Elitists Enjoy Low Culture Too
- Elitist cultural participants often engage with low culture, but the reverse is rare.
- Low culture's accessibility is its strength; it is cheap to produce and consume.