unSeminary Podcast

Why Most 800-Person Churches Die of Niceness

Nov 11, 2025
Exploring the dynamics of mid-size churches, the discussion highlights how group size impacts leadership and relational dynamics. The host emphasizes that being 'nice' can stifle growth, particularly around the 800-member mark. It challenges listeners to adopt a mission-driven approach that values clarity over consensus. Key strategies for fostering an invite culture are shared, including the need for intentionality in outreach and metrics for measuring success. Ultimately, effective leadership must prioritize mission to break through growth stagnation.
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ANECDOTE

Camp Cabin Leadership Shift

  • Rich Birch recalls leading cabins of six and then ten campers to show how scale changes leadership needs.
  • He explains that moving from six to ten required systems, delegation, and new communication, not just presence.
INSIGHT

Scale Alters Relational Physics

  • Group size changes relational physics and what worked at smaller sizes fails at mid-size.
  • Rich argues the 500–1,000 range creates structural barriers that require different leadership.
INSIGHT

Niceness Becomes A Growth Lid

  • Niceness becomes a lid around 800 that preserves insiders and blocks outward mission.
  • Consensus leadership and family feel can slow decisions and burn out leaders if left unchecked.
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