Howard Blackson is the Howard Roark to my Peter Keating. He’s the oil to my water. Well, alright, maybe not so much. But we have sparred from time to time over American city grids, and urban design issues that all of about 100 people get really into. Beyond that, he’s a passionate San Diegan, and a very accomplished planner and designer.

We finally had a chance to do a podcast together, and soldiered through some rough tech issues. Forgive any bumps.

Yes, we talk some about grids, about the US West and the Laws of the Indies. But we spend more time talking about Howard’s intriguing concept of the Next Urbanism, which he outlines in this presentation below.

Key links:

Howard’s personal website

Jonathan Segal’s website (Architect as Developer)

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Music notes: all songs by low standards, ca. 2010. Videos here. If you’d like a CD for low standards, message me and you can have one for only $5.

Intro: “Why Be Friends”

Outro: “Fairweather Friend”