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#340: Paul Stamets — How Mushrooms Can Save You and (Perhaps) the World
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Quick takeaways
- Mycelium-based pest control challenges conventional insecticide methods and faces resistance from established pesticide companies.
- Mushrooms, such as Agericon, have powerful anti-viral properties against pox viruses and herpes, presenting potential for new antiviral drugs.
- Paul Stamets' personal journey with mushrooms shaped his dedication to researching and harnessing the potential of fungi.
- Disruptive technologies, like mycelium-based pest control, face resistance from established industries and conventional wisdom.
- Mycelium extracts from polypore mushrooms can reduce viral load in bees, contributing to ecological solutions and food security.
Deep dives
Mycelium-based pest control
The podcast episode explores the use of mycelium, a type of fungus, as a natural and eco-friendly method for controlling pests like carpenter ants. Through the use of specific strains of entomopathogenic fungi, which are non-toxic to humans and bees, it is possible to effectively control and eliminate ant infestations. These fungi attract the ants, penetrate their exoskeletons, and eventually mummify them, disrupting the entire colony. The efficacy of mycelium-based pest control has been demonstrated in research and is considered a disruptive technology that challenges conventional insecticide methods. However, despite its proven effectiveness, the adoption of mycelium-based pest control has been limited, potentially due to the resistance of established companies in the pesticide industry.
Anti-viral properties of mushrooms
The podcast episode also explores the anti-viral properties of mushroom mycelium. Research has shown that certain strains of mushrooms, such as Agericon, have powerful anti-viral activity against pox viruses, herpes, and other viral diseases. While the exact mechanisms of action and specific molecules responsible for these anti-viral properties are still under investigation, these findings have significant implications for the development of new antiviral drugs. These discoveries highlight the potential of natural compounds derived from mushrooms as effective tools in combatting viral infections.
Paul Stamets' personal journey and fascination with mushrooms
Paul Stamets, the speaker in the podcast episode, developed a stutter at a young age. His interest in mushrooms was sparked by his fascination with altered states of consciousness and the potential healing properties of magic mushrooms. He was initially introduced to the subject through his older brother, who studied chemistry and shared stories of his experiences with mushrooms. This interest propelled Stamets into exploring mushrooms further, leading him to become a mycologist and ultimately a pioneer in the field. His personal journey and connection with mushrooms have shaped his dedication to researching and harnessing the potential of fungi for various applications.
Challenges and resistance to disruptive technologies
Throughout the podcast episode, Stamets highlights the challenges and resistance faced by disruptive technologies, such as mycelium-based pest control and the anti-viral properties of mushrooms. While these innovations have shown immense potential, their adoption is often hindered by established industries and conventional wisdom. Stamets shares stories of his experiences, including encounters with government agencies, corporate struggles, and the reluctance of companies to replace established and profitable products with sustainable and eco-friendly alternatives. The podcast episode sheds light on the complexities and obstacles faced by innovators in introducing disruptive technologies to the market.
The Importance of Bees in Food Security
Bees play a crucial role in food security as they are responsible for pollinating a significant portion of our food crops. However, bees are currently facing numerous threats, including a viral pandemic caused by the varroa mite and deformed wing virus. Paul Stamets, a mycologist, had an epiphany about using polypore mushroom extracts, specifically the mycelium, to help save bees. Through his research, he discovered that these extracts could reduce the viral load in bees by thousands of times, prolong their lifespan, and improve their overall health. This breakthrough provides actionable ecological solutions to counter the decline of bee populations and ensure food security.
The Power of Fungi in Environmental Restoration
Fungi, particularly mycelium, play a crucial role in environmental restoration and ecological resilience. Mycelium, which permeates trees and wood chips, produces sweet and fragrant polysaccharides that attract bees. It also acts as a natural bio shield against pathogens and contaminants. Paul Stamets has extensively researched the use of mycelium extracts from polypore mushrooms in various applications, such as bioremediation. These extracts have been shown to detoxify soil, break down toxins, and even control insect populations. Stamets believes that understanding the role of mycelium in nature and harnessing its potential can lead to significant advancements in environmental restoration.
Discovering the Therapeutic Potential of Mushrooms
Paul Stamets has conducted extensive research on the therapeutic potential of mushrooms, including the use of sils ibon and lion's mane mushrooms. Sils ivon, a psychoactive compound found in certain mushrooms, has shown promising results in treating neurological disorders and promoting neurogenesis. When combined with lion's mane mushrooms, which contain nerve growth factors, these mushrooms may have the potential to regenerate nerve cells and improve cognitive function. Stamets emphasizes the need for clinical studies to explore microdosing and the potential benefits of these mushrooms in treating neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. He believes that these mushrooms should be reclassified as therapeutic drugs, considering their efficacy and low toxicity.
Importance of Fungi in Environmental Solutions
Fungi have immense potential in solving human problems, such as environmental cleanup, wastewater filtration, and even biofuels production. They can break down petrochemicals, absorb radiation from contaminated soil and water, filter out harmful substances, and provide natural antibiotics. Fungi also play a crucial role in reforestation and sustainable agriculture by improving crop yields and reducing the need for toxic chemicals. Additionally, mushrooms can be cultivated in refugee camps and disaster zones to provide food, and they can even be grown in space for interstellar travel. Supporting organizations like the Multi-Lary Association of Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) and joining mushroom societies can help contribute to the research and development of these practical applications.
The Power of Kindness and Connection
Small acts of kindness can have a profound impact on people's lives. Expressing gratitude, showing kindness, and extending a helping hand can make a significant difference, even in the simplest interactions. These actions can transform someone's day or even change the course of their life. Kindness is a vital part of our existence and interconnectedness with nature. By embracing compassion and generosity, we can promote a sense of unity and work towards building a better world. Taking action and being part of a nature-loving movement that values sustainability and future generations is crucial in creating a positive and lasting legacy.
Paul Stamets (@PaulStamets) is an intellectual and industry leader in the habitat, medicinal use, and production of fungi. Part of his mission is to deepen our understanding and respect for the organisms that literally exist under every footstep taken on this path of life. Paul is the author of a new study in Nature's Scientific Reports, which details how mushroom extracts—specifically extracts from woodland polypore mushrooms—can greatly reduce viruses that contribute to bee colony collapse.
Paul is the author of six books, including Mycelium Running: How Mushrooms Can Help Save the World, Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms, and Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World: An Identification Guide, and he has discovered and named numerous species of psilocybin mushrooms. Paul is also the founder and owner of Fungi Perfecti, makers of the Host Defense mushroom supplement line, and it is something I've been using since Samin Nosrat recommended it in my last book, Tribe of Mentors.
Paul has received numerous awards, including Invention Ambassador (2014-2015) for the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the National Mycologist Award (2014) from the North American Mycological Association (NAMA), and the Gordon & Tina Wasson Award (2015) from the Mycological Society of America (MSA).
The implications, applications, and medicinal uses of what we discuss in this interview are truly mind-boggling, and we get into some of my favorite subjects, including psychedelics and other aspects of bending reality. If you're interested in contributing to psychedelic science and research, you can do so at MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), or if you've got $100,000 or more to spare, visit me at tim.blog/science.
I hope you enjoy this entire interview, but if you only have time to listen to one part, I recommend checking in at the [56:25] mark to hear how Paul's first experience with psilocybin mushrooms affected his lifelong stutter. Enjoy!
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