

The dawn of the post-literate society
James Marriott, a Times columnist with deep insights into literacy and culture, joins Alastair Benn to explore whether we are entering a post-literate society. They discuss alarming trends in declining literacy rates and the shift from traditional reading to audiovisual content. Marriott emphasizes the historical evolution of literacy, highlighting its socio-economic effects, and warns of the dangers that poor communication poses to democracy. The conversation also tackles the role of AI and the struggle against triviality in today's digital age.
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Smartphones and Literacy Decline
- Smartphones and the rise of short-form video are causing literacy rates to fall.
- People now spend more time on TikTok and videos than reading news or books.
The Shallows and Changing Reading Habits
- Nicholas Carr's book, The Shallows, discussed how the internet changed reading habits.
- People still read frequently online, but mostly shorter, less beneficial content.
Reformation and Printing Press
- The Protestant Reformation and the printing press increased literacy.
- The vernacular Bible translations made reading accessible to more people, similar to the internet's impact.
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Intro
00:00 • 2min
The Evolution of Literacy: From Past to Present
02:29 • 21min
The Exclusionary Nature of Jargonized Language
23:47 • 2min
The Political Perils of Declining Literacy
25:26 • 2min
AI and the Crisis of Credentialism
26:58 • 13min
The Struggle Against Triviality in a Post-Literate Society
39:58 • 7min

Pamela
Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson's "Pamela" is considered one of the earliest and most influential examples of the epistolary novel. Written in the form of letters, the novel tells the story of a young servant girl who resists the advances of her master. The novel's focus on Pamela's inner thoughts and feelings, conveyed through her letters, was groundbreaking for its time. "Pamela" explores themes of virtue, morality, and social class, and its innovative structure helped shape the development of the novel as a literary form. Its success led to a sequel, "Clarissa", and significantly influenced later novelists.

The intellectual life of the British working classes
Jonathan Rose
Jonathan Rose's "The Intellectual Life of the British Working Classes" is a groundbreaking work of social history that explores the surprising extent of literacy and intellectual engagement among working-class people in Britain. Rose challenges traditional assumptions about working-class culture, revealing a rich and vibrant intellectual life that often went unnoticed by historians. The book examines the various ways in which working-class people accessed and engaged with literature, ideas, and knowledge, highlighting the importance of self-education, community learning, and the role of institutions like libraries and workingmen's clubs. Rose's work offers a compelling counter-narrative to the often-negative stereotypes associated with working-class culture, demonstrating the intellectual vitality and resilience of ordinary people.
The Rise of the Novel
The Rise of the Novel
Ian WATT
Ian Watt's "The Rise of the Novel" is a landmark work of literary criticism that explores the historical development of the novel as a literary form. Watt argues that the novel emerged in 18th-century England as a response to the changing social and intellectual landscape. He emphasizes the novel's focus on realism, individualism, and the exploration of individual experience. Watt's analysis of the novel's relationship to other literary forms and its connection to broader social and cultural trends has had a lasting impact on literary scholarship. His work remains a crucial text for understanding the novel's historical context and its enduring significance.

World Without Mind
Franklin Foer
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George Eliot's works
George Eliot's works
George Eliot
While not a single book, George Eliot's novels are collectively considered masterpieces of 19th-century English literature. Her works, including "Middlemarch," "Silas Marner," and "Adam Bede," are known for their realism, social commentary, and psychological depth. Eliot's narrative style is characterized by its intellectual rigor and its exploration of complex moral and social issues. Her novels offer insightful perspectives on the social dynamics and intellectual currents of her time, and their enduring appeal lies in their timeless exploration of human relationships and the complexities of human nature. Eliot's influence on later novelists is undeniable, and her works continue to be widely read and studied.
Edward Said's works
Edward Said's works
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Edward Said
While not a single book, Edward Said's works are collectively considered highly influential contributions to postcolonial studies and critical theory. His most famous work, "Orientalism," is a groundbreaking critique of Western representations of the East. Said's work examines the power dynamics inherent in cultural representations and the ways in which these representations have shaped political and social relations. His scholarship has had a profound impact on various fields, including literary studies, cultural studies, and postcolonial studies. Said's work continues to be widely read and studied, and his ideas remain highly relevant in the ongoing conversation about cultural representation and power.

Charles Dickens' works
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Charles Dickens
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Bob Dylan's works
Bob Dylan's works
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Bob Dylan
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John Locke's ideas
John Locke's ideas
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John Locke
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Jane Austen's works
Jane Austen's works
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Jane Austen
While not a single book, Jane Austen's novels are collectively considered masterpieces of English literature. Her works, including "Pride and Prejudice," "Sense and Sensibility," and "Emma," are known for their witty social commentary, realistic portrayal of characters, and exploration of themes of love, marriage, and social class. Austen's keen observations of human nature and her ability to create memorable and complex characters have ensured her enduring popularity. Her novels offer insightful perspectives on the social dynamics and gender roles of her time, and their enduring appeal lies in their timeless exploration of human relationships.
Daniel Defoe's works
Daniel Defoe's works
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Daniel Defoe
While not a single book, Daniel Defoe's works are collectively considered significant contributions to English literature. His novels, including "Robinson Crusoe" and "Moll Flanders," are known for their realistic portrayal of characters and their exploration of themes of adventure, survival, and social mobility. Defoe's narrative style is characterized by its detail and its focus on the everyday lives of his characters. His works offer valuable insights into the social and economic conditions of his time, and their enduring appeal lies in their timeless exploration of human experience. Defoe's influence on later novelists is undeniable, and his works continue to be widely read and studied.
The House was Quiet and the World was Calm
The House was Quiet and the World was Calm
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Wallace Stevens
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After Virtue
Alistair McIntyre
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Amusing Ourselves to Death
Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business
Neil Postman
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The bonfire of the vanities
Tom Wolfe
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The pilgrim's progress
Geoffrey Murray
The Pilgrim's Progress is a Christian allegory that follows the journey of Christian, a man burdened by his sin, as he travels from the City of Destruction to the Celestial City. Along the way, he encounters various characters and obstacles that symbolize spiritual realities. The book is presented as a dream sequence and is divided into two parts, the second part following Christian's wife, Christiana, and her children on a similar journey. The narrative is rich in biblical references and explores themes of redemption, faith, and perseverance.

The Shallows
Nicholas Carr

Tom Jones
Henry Fielding
Is the era of mass literacy over? And what might a post-literate society look like?
EI's Alastair Benn is joined by Times columnist James Marriott and Senior Editor Paul Lay to discuss the promise and peril of a culture defined by the audiovisual.
Engelsberg Ideas is funded by the Axel and Margaret Ax:son Johnson Foundation for Public Benefit. EI Talks... is hosted by Paul Lay and Alastair Benn, and produced by Caitlin Brown. The sound engineer is Gareth Jones.
Image: Painting of a woman reading by Carl Vilhelm Holsøe. Credit: Vidimages / Alamy Stock Photo
EI's Alastair Benn is joined by Times columnist James Marriott and Senior Editor Paul Lay to discuss the promise and peril of a culture defined by the audiovisual.
Engelsberg Ideas is funded by the Axel and Margaret Ax:son Johnson Foundation for Public Benefit. EI Talks... is hosted by Paul Lay and Alastair Benn, and produced by Caitlin Brown. The sound engineer is Gareth Jones.
Image: Painting of a woman reading by Carl Vilhelm Holsøe. Credit: Vidimages / Alamy Stock Photo