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Kurt Gray: Understanding Outrage to Heal America

Feb 19, 2025

Kurt Gray, a psychology and neuroscience professor at UNC Chapel Hill, dives into the landscape of moral outrage and the psychology behind it. He introduces his CIV approach—Connect, Invite, and Validate—as a method for mending societal divides. Through engaging discussions about empathy, he challenges political myths and emphasizes the need for personal stories in debates on sensitive topics. Gray also addresses mental fatigue from today's divisive climate and advocates for compassionate communication to foster understanding.

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Quick takeaways

Understanding moral outrage requires recognizing our shared humanity and acknowledging different perspectives to foster empathy and dialogue.

Implementing the CIV approach—Connect, Invite, and Validate—can transform contentious conversations into meaningful discussions and promote mutual understanding.

Deep dives

Fight or Flight Response and Managing Outrage

The activation of the fight or flight response occurs in just a fifth of a second, while calming down after such activation takes around 20 minutes. This highlights the necessity for individuals to take time and space away from outrage-inducing situations. To manage feelings of anger or frustration, it's advisable to avoid responding immediately, such as refraining from sending emails while experiencing anger or discussing contentious topics at heated moments. Instead, people should allow themselves to cool down and reflect before re-engaging in potentially volatile conversations.

Intro

2min

Bridging Divides: The Art of Conversation

8min

Understanding Outrage: Perspectives and Response

6min

Challenging Political Myths on Protection

2min

Bridging Divides Through Understanding

18min

Reflections on Baptism and Moral Humility

8min

Navigating Mental Exhaustion in Politics

8min

Step into the fascinating world of moral psychology with Kurt Gray, professor of psychology and neuroscience at UNC Chapel Hill, who explores the psychology of outrage and moral understanding. As director of the Deepest Beliefs Lab and the Center for the Science of Moral Understanding, Kurt unveils how we can bridge America's deepest divides through his groundbreaking CIV approach - Connect, Invite, and Validate. His new book 'Outrage' challenges us to understand both sides of moral conflicts and find common ground in our shared humanity.

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