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Securing Superintelligence: National Security, Espionage & AI Control with Jeremie & Edouard Harris

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Apr 23, 2025

Join Jeremy and Edouard Harris, co-founders of Gladstone AI and authors specializing in AI and national security. They delve into the urgent challenges of balancing the race for superintelligence against control risks. Highlighting vulnerabilities in U.S. infrastructure, they discuss the implications of an AI arms race with China. The brothers advocate for international cooperation over rivalry. Their insights reveal the complexities of managing AI's dual nature, emphasizing the ethical dilemmas and security measures necessary to ensure a safe technological future.

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The Nature of Superintelligence

Superintelligence surpasses humans in nearly every task and may have incomprehensible goals.
Its unmatched power poses a profound strategic advantage and uncontrollable risk simultaneously.

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Jagged AI Capability Surfaces

AI systems have jagged capability edges, making them prone to unexpected mistakes.
These irregularities reveal differences in cognition between humans and AI, with each detecting flaws in the other.

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AI Lab Cultures and Race Pressures

AI labs vary culturally; OpenAI shows internal conflict between researchers and executives.
Racing dynamics push labs toward rapid development often at the expense of security and ethics.

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In this thought-provoking episode of The Cognitive Revolution, host Nathan Labenz speaks with Jeremy and Edouard Harris, founders of Gladstone AI and authors of "America's Superintelligence Project." The conversation explores a critical dilemma facing US policymakers: balancing the race to develop advanced AI ahead of China against the risks of losing control of increasingly powerful systems. Drawing from their extensive research with intelligence officials and technical experts, the Harris brothers detail the vulnerabilities in US critical infrastructure that would need to be addressed for a Manhattan Project-style AI initiative, while raising profound questions about the security compromises and centralization of power such a project would entail. Nathan offers his perspective that international cooperation might be preferable to an AI arms race, inviting listeners to consider whether humanity's shared interests might ultimately outweigh geopolitical rivalries in the development of superintelligent systems.

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