
Green Team of the Legendarium #337: All That We See or Seem by Ken Liu (Julia Z #1) (Full Spoilers)
Oct 19, 2025
The hosts dive into Ken Liu's intriguing new techno-thriller featuring Julia Z, an orphan hacker in a near-future world. They explore the intricate balance between AI's empowerment and its dangers, discussing themes like personal identity and societal impacts. With a focus on plot-driven versus character-driven storytelling, they analyze the pacing and technical depth of the narrative. Plus, they reflect on ethical questions surrounding AI and its parallels to today’s online landscape, all while giving their thoughts on the book's strengths and areas for improvement.
01:23:46
Tech-Forward Sci‑Fi Over Traditional Thrillers
- Ken Liu's new book leans heavily into tech-focused sci-fi rather than classic space or alien stories.
- The hosts felt the dense technical detail made the thriller less accessible to casual thriller readers.
AI And The Arts Are Central Themes
- The book explores AI's effect on art and creative labor rather than just AI-as-apocalypse.
- Hosts noted Ken Liu uses the story to examine ethics, ownership, and augmentation in creative fields.
Plot Summary: Piers, Ellie, And Julia's Quest
- Befuddled Panda summarized key plot beats: Piers hires Julia to find his missing wife Ellie and is later killed.
- Julia infiltrates the Prince's operations, discovers content farms, and helps free exploited people.
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Intro
00:00 • 35sec
Hosts' familiarity with Ken Liu
00:35 • 2min
Hosts' experience with cyberpunk
02:25 • 2min
Book genre and expectations
04:03 • 7min
What is the book about (premise)
10:51 • 28sec
Initial impressions: pacing and tech detail
11:20 • 2min
Tech level and near-future worldbuilding
13:16 • 2min
Themes: AI, art, and humanity
15:41 • 2min
Plot-driven vs character-driven balance
17:50 • 2min
Series structure and standalone reading
20:13 • 3min
Thriller strengths: intelligence over violence
22:46 • 4min
Recommendation and ratings
26:17 • 4min
Spoiler warning and plot summary
30:26 • 2min
Discussing the book's tech: dream weaving
32:35 • 2min
AI as augmentation versus monopolization
34:46 • 5min
Personal AIs and bias from training data
39:20 • 5min
Oneiro constructs and identity
44:02 • 4min
Dreaming, loneliness, and parasocial connections
47:38 • 4min
Knowledge erosion and tool dependence
52:04 • 2min
Ethics, environment, and societal impacts
54:00 • 11min
Last third: prison, content farms, and pacing concerns
01:05:10 • 2min
Novella origin and structural seams
01:07:10 • 4min
Villains and thematic representation
01:10:58 • 3min
Bots, engagement farms, and current parallels
01:13:40 • 4min
Privacy, data leakage, and real-world caution
01:17:48 • 2min
Prose, standout moments, and Liu's voice
01:19:51 • 2min
Will they read the sequel?
01:21:28 • 46sec
Outro
01:22:14 • 2min
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A Dream Within a Dream
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Edgar Allan Poe
'A Dream Within a Dream' by Edgar Allan Poe explores the elusive nature of reality and the pain of loss through vivid imagery and melancholic tones.
The poem begins with the speaker lamenting the departure of a loved one, questioning whether life is merely a fleeting illusion.
Using metaphors of sand slipping through fingers, Poe illustrates the futility of grasping onto moments and the inevitability of time's passage.
Each stanza spirals deeper into themes of despair, reflecting on the human condition and the unattainable quest for certainty.
The poem's structure and rhythm enhance the sense of anguish and contemplation, leaving the reader questioning the nature of dreams versus reality.

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The Hidden Girl and Other Stories


Ken Liu
Ken Liu's "The Hidden Girl and Other Stories" is a collection of science fiction and fantasy tales that showcase Liu's remarkable storytelling abilities.
The stories explore diverse themes, including artificial intelligence, cultural identity, and the complexities of human relationships.
Liu's writing is characterized by its intellectual depth and emotional resonance, blending hard science fiction concepts with compelling narratives.
The collection includes stories that have been adapted into other media, such as the AMC+ series "Pantheon.
" Overall, "The Hidden Girl and Other Stories" is a must-read for fans of imaginative and thought-provoking science fiction.

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Along Came a Spider


James Patterson
In this first book of the Alex Cross series, James Patterson introduces Alex Cross, a Washington D.C.
homicide detective with a Ph.D. in psychology.
The story revolves around the kidnapping of two children, Maggie Rose Dunne and Michael Goldberg, by their school teacher, Gary Soneji, who aims to commit the 'crime of the century'.
Cross, along with Secret Service agent Jezzie Flanagan, must navigate a complex web of crimes and deceit to rescue the children.
The novel explores themes of suspense, psychological insight, and the personal challenges faced by Cross, including a forbidden love affair with Flanagan.
The plot is marked by multiple twists and turns, keeping the reader engaged as Cross and Soneji engage in a cat-and-mouse game.

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Millennium Trilogy


Stieg Larsson
The Millennium Trilogy consists of 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo,' 'The Girl Who Played with Fire,' and 'The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest.
' The series follows the investigations of Mikael Blomkvist, a journalist, and Lisbeth Salander, a brilliant but troubled hacker.
The novels explore themes of corruption, abuse of power, and violence against women, set against the backdrop of Swedish society.
The trilogy was written by Stieg Larsson, who completed the three books before his death in 2004.
The series has been widely acclaimed and adapted into films and other media.

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The Wild Robot


Peter Brown
When robot Roz opens her eyes for the first time, she finds herself alone on a remote, wild island after a shipwreck.
With no idea how she got there or what her purpose is, Roz must adapt to her harsh surroundings by learning from the island's hostile animal inhabitants.
She befriends the animals, including an orphaned gosling named Brightbill, and becomes a part of the island community.
However, her mysterious past eventually comes back to haunt her, forcing her to make difficult choices that impact her new family and the island itself.
The novel explores themes of technology vs.
nature, community, and personal responsibility.

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Snow Crash


Neal Stephenson
Published in 1992, 'Snow Crash' is a science fiction novel by Neal Stephenson that delves into a future where the United States has fragmented into corporate city-states and the internet has evolved into a virtual reality called the Metaverse.
The story follows Hiro Protagonist, a pizza delivery driver and part-time hacker, and Y.T.
, a teenage skateboard courier, as they navigate a complex world threatened by a mysterious computer virus and a powerful drug known as Snow Crash.
The novel explores themes of history, linguistics, anthropology, and computer science, and is noted for its prescient vision of the metaverse and its influence on Silicon Valley innovators.

#587
• Mentioned in 39 episodes
Neuromancer


William Gibson
Published in 1984, 'Neuromancer' is a seminal work in the cyberpunk genre.
The novel revolves around Case, a skilled hacker who was once the best in his field but was crippled by his former employer after he tried to steal from them.
Case is recruited by a mysterious employer named Armitage for a high-stakes mission that involves hacking into the highly secure systems of the Tessier-Ashpool family.
Joined by a diverse group of allies, including the cyborg Molly and the performance artist Peter Riviera, Case must navigate the complexities of cyberspace and the real world to merge two powerful artificial intelligences, Wintermute and Neuromancer.
The book explores themes of technology, identity, and the blurring of lines between the physical and virtual worlds.

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The Three-Body Problem
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Cixin Liu
Cixin Liu's 'The Three-Body Problem' is a critically acclaimed science fiction novel that blends hard science with compelling storytelling.
The story follows a group of scientists who make contact with an alien civilization, leading to unforeseen consequences for humanity.
Liu's intricate world-building and exploration of complex scientific and philosophical themes have earned him widespread recognition.
The novel is known for its ambitious scope and its exploration of the potential challenges and dangers of encountering extraterrestrial life.
It's a thought-provoking work that has captivated readers worldwide.

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Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?


Philip K. Dick
Published in 1968, 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
' is set in a post-apocalyptic San Francisco after a nuclear war.
The story follows Rick Deckard, a bounty hunter tasked with 'retiring' six escaped Nexus-6 androids.
The novel delves into profound philosophical questions about the nature of life, empathy, and what defines humanity.
It also introduces the concept of Mercerism, a religion that emphasizes empathy and compassion.
The book is known for its complex characters, including Deckard's moral dilemmas and the ambiguous line between human and android, which has been a significant influence on science fiction and popular culture, including the film 'Blade Runner'.
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• Mentioned in 2 episodes
All That We See or Seem


Ken Liu
Spooke_, Stormrunner, and Panda discuss Ken Liu's latest release, All That We See or Seem. It is the first book in his new techno thriller series starring Julia Z. This first part of the episode is the spoiler-free . Full-spoilers discussion starts at 30:21.
Disclaimer: Green Team received an ARC of All That We See or Seem by Ken Liu courtesy of NetGalley and Saga Press. We thank them for the early copy for review. All opinions are our own. All That We See or Seem released on October 14th, 2025. Hope you enjoy the episode.
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