Tom Warren, Senior Editor at The Verge, joins the discussion to dive deep into Microsoft Surface reviews, highlighting the evolution of these devices over the past decade. He emphasizes challenges with ARM chips versus Intel, and how the pandemic influenced design shifts. The conversation also shifts to Apple's new App Store tax targeting Meta, raising concerns about its impact on consumer choices. Plus, they touch on Mac sales soaring amidst a declining PC market and Meta's struggles in the metaverse, hinting at exciting times ahead for tech.