The Rest Is Politics: Leading 166. John Swinney: Identity, Independence, and The Future of Scotland
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Dec 15, 2025 
John Swinney, a seasoned Scottish politician and First Minister, shares insights on the future of the Scottish independence movement. He discusses the SNP's journey to rebuild trust after scandals, his upbringing in Edinburgh, and the evolution of the party under Alex Salmond's leadership. Swinney emphasizes the importance of delivering policies to address child poverty and inequalities. He critiques the current political climate and advocates for Scotland's EU membership, highlighting the SNP's civic nationalism and collaborative governance style.
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Scotland's Football Joy And Collective Identity
- John Swinney described the emotional high of Scotland's 4-2 win over Denmark and the shared national joy it produced.
- He contrasted that euphoria with a painful past defeat in Munich to show how deeply communal sporting moments bind people.
Early Political Spark From 1979 Referendum
- Swinney recalled joining the SNP at 15 after the 1979 devolution referendum disappointment inspired him to act.
- He described a youthful conviction that Scotland should
Strategic Shift To Moderate Left
- Swinney explains Alec Salmond repositioned the SNP as a moderate left party to replace Labour in Scotland.
- That strategic ideological clarity enabled the SNP to become Scotland's principal left leadership over decades.