The two computers that made Apple

Laine Nooney, an NYU professor and author of "The Apple II Age," teams up with Will Poor, a lead video producer at The Verge, to discuss the revolutionary impact of the Apple II on personal computing. They explore how the '1977 Trinity' of PCs emerged and the contrasting philosophies of Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs. The conversation also dives into the forgotten legacy of the Apple Lisa, its commercial struggles, and the influence of corporate power in tech history, questioning how lessons from the past can shape Apple's future.