Boaz Weinstein, founder and CIO of Saba Capital Management, and Lotfi Karoui, chief credit strategist of Goldman Sachs, discuss concerns about refinancing risk and maturity wall for corporates and the uncertainties in corporate credit markets. They also explore the outlook for private credit markets in a higher rate environment and examine the argument of amending and extending in private markets.
Corporate America's credit is expected to experience a mean reversion towards the long-term average, but the risk of a severe deterioration is reduced due to healthy corporate fundamentals and a brighter economic outlook.
Credit spreads are influenced by market dynamics and may shift quickly in response to changing market conditions, with further tightening unlikely due to already tight spreads and low default rates.
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Credit Outlook: Corporate America's Credit Health
Goldman Sachs Exchange podcast explores the impact of surging interest rates on the health of corporate America's credit. While concerns about a major default cycle are low, a mean reversion in default rates towards the long-term average is expected. The optimistic outlook is supported by healthy corporate fundamentals and a brighter prospect of a soft landing for the economy, reducing the risk of a severe deterioration. However, the leverage finance space and the broadest-innocated loan market require closer monitoring due to limited ability to transition to a higher-cost capital environment. Refinancing risk for corporates in 2024 or 2025 is not a significant concern, as it is not front-loaded and there is capacity on the investor side to absorb it.
Credit Spreads and Default Rates
The podcast discusses the relationship between credit spreads and default rates. While corporate fundamentals appear healthy and a modest tightening in credit spreads is expected, the odds are against further credit spread tightening due to already tight spreads and the low level of default rates in recent years. Technical factors and market uncertainties, rather than fundamentals, have been major influences on credit spreads. It is emphasized that credit spreads are priced by market dynamics, such as the imbalance between buyers and sellers, indicating that spreads may shift quickly in response to changing market conditions.
Outlook for Private Credit
The podcast examines the outlook for private credit in a higher rate environment. The challenges faced by borrowers in private debt markets are recognized, but they are perceived as cyclical rather than systemic issues. The relationship between lenders and borrowers in the private side enables more efficient amendment and extension processes. While private debt markets are not seen as posing systemic risks, concerns about private market defaults rising if interest rates don't decline meaningfully are mentioned. Private credit defaults might give an early warning of potential risks for broader risk assets, but they are not considered indicative of a severe default cycle.
Higher interest rates are making it more expensive for companies to borrow money. So what could that mean for the health of corporate America? Saba Capital Management’s Boaz Weinstein, founder and CIO, and Goldman Sachs’ Lotfi Karoui, chief credit strategist, discuss the outlook for U.S. credit markets. This episode of Goldman Sachs Exchanges is based on Goldman Sachs Research’s latest Top of Mind report.
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