Logistics Matters with DC VELOCITY

Guest: Marc Schaffer on the big rail merger; AI imbeds in the warehouse; The people behind the tech

Dec 5, 2025
Marc Schaffer, a principal economist at Breakthrough Fuel, delves into the implications of the looming Union Pacific–Norfolk Southern merger and its potential effects on supply chains. He highlights how this merger stands apart due to its scale and regulatory hurdles. The discussion shifts to the rise of AI in warehouses, revealing that 60% are adopting these technologies to enhance productivity. Schaffer also shares insights on the critical workforce behind this tech, referencing Siemens' plan to train 200,000 electricians by 2030.
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INSIGHT

Breakthrough's Scale And Role

  • Breakthrough Fuel manages large-scale transportation spend and shipments to help shippers cut costs and decarbonize networks.
  • Marc Schaffer says the firm oversees about $35 billion in spend and 46 million shipments annually.
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Merger Would Create Massive Rail Power

  • The proposed Union Pacific–Norfolk Southern merger would create a much larger carrier than CPKC did.
  • Marc Schaffer warns it could control roughly 40% of U.S. rail carload volume if approved.
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Transcontinental East–West Versus North–South

  • CPKC created a north–south corridor while UP/NS aims to build an east–west transcontinental route.
  • Marc Schaffer highlights the geographic difference as central to impacts on intermodal flows.
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