Daisy and Francis are joined by Jad Esber, founder and CEO of Koodos Labs, a product and research company focused on the next generation of the internet. Koodos Labs is the creator of Shelf.

Shelf: www.shelf.im

Jad: https://x.com/Jad_AE

00:00 Night Life

02:20 Daisy smells like a donut

08:33 Inverting the internet's personal data model

14:47 Understanding the concept of data gravity

19:56 The algorithms influence on interpersonal relationships

30:53 Shelf: Your aggregator for taste

39:00 The difficulties of tracking physical media consumption

44:01 Connecting through shared media consumption

50:40 The balance of friction and meaningful engagement

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.