Caleb and Michael debate the role of politics in the modern Stoic life. Caleb argues that Stoics should stay away from politics – like the Epicureanism. Michael thinks this couldn’t be any more wrong. Heated, if Stoic, debated ensues.

(05:18) Arguments Against Politics

(25:49) The Wisdom of Epicurus

(33:52) Justice Without Politics

(37:57) The Stoic Case for Politics

(51:33) The Norms for Engaging Well

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