Protecting your own strategic bitcoin reserve for 100+ years with Joe Kelly

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Nov 12, 2024

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ANECDOTE

Gradual Bitcoin Aha Moment

Joe Kelly's Bitcoin "aha" moment was a gradual process, influenced by Dhruv Bansal.
After selling a company in 2013, he had money to explore Bitcoin and Dhruv guided his understanding.

INSIGHT

Unchained's Origin

Joe Kelly's motivation for starting Unchained was partly due to his and Dhruv Bansal's inability to retire.
They recognized Bitcoin's potential as a larger opportunity than other ventures.

ANECDOTE

From ETH to Bitcoin Only

Unchained initially supported ETH alongside Bitcoin due to customer demand for ETH-backed loans.
However, they later shifted to a Bitcoin-only focus due to ETH's technical instability and minimal loan volume.

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In this episode, we sit down with Joe Kelly, co-founder and CEO of Unchained, to discuss his journey from his first ‘aha’ moment with bitcoin to building a company that prioritizes long term bitcoin security and self-custody. Joe reflects on Unchained’s evolution into a bitcoin-only company, his personal donation to the University of Austin’s bitcoin endowment, and Unchained’s new bitcoin donor-advised fund product. We explore the critical importance of self-custody, why new bitcoiners should care about self-custody, the challenges and opportunities for global bitcoin adoption, and Unchained’s future roadmap. Joe also shares his thoughts on the risks and potential of AI, phishing threats in the digital space, and the balance between security and user experience in bitcoin financial services.

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Intro
1:18 ‘Aha’ moment, Dhruv’s influence
4:19 Founding Unchained, long-term vision
7:47 Bitcoin-only focus
10:27 University of Austin donation
13:18 Bitcoin donor-advised funds
15:23 Beyond bitcoin: family, consciousness
17:45 Favorite podcast
20:23 Why self-custody matters
26:01 Accelerating adoption
28:52 Phishing threats
32:20 Bitcoin ETFs
35:41 AI, identity verification
38:17 Unchained’s future
40:03 Roadmap, sustainability
41:30 Favorite products
44:44 ECB bitcoin paper
46:50 Contrarian views on money
49:05 Bitcoin’s biggest risk
50:44 Closing remarks

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