Education as Anaesthetic, Learning Beyond Time and Space - A Conversation with Carl Mika
Jan 19, 2025
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Carl Mika, Professor of Māori and Indigenous Philosophies at the University of Canterbury, dives deep into the rich world of Māori learning. He challenges traditional Western notions of education by introducing concepts like wānanga and the significance of non-verbal communication. The discussion highlights how colonial influences affect Māori identity and mental health, advocating for integrated learning experiences. Humor emerges as a vital tool in education, encouraging open dialogue while respecting Indigenous knowledge systems and fostering collaborative approaches.
Māori philosophy highlights the importance of wānanga as a holistic state of being, transcending linear notions of knowledge acquisition.
The emphasis on interdependence in Māori thought fosters a communal approach to education, contrasting with the individualism prevalent in Western frameworks.
Deep dives
The Complex Nature of Knowing
The concept of knowledge is central to Māori philosophy, yet it carries implications that often go unexamined. This emphasis on knowledge can create a worldview that is reductionist, leading to a disconnect from the holistic understandings of existence. The term 'wānanga' serves as a prime example, where its interpretation involves more than just learning; it encapsulates a reverberation—an interaction with the self and the world that transcends linear concepts of time and space. By viewing wānanga as a state of being rather than mere knowledge acquisition, one can appreciate the deeper, spiritual dimensions of education and learning.
The Flaws in Western Educational Constructs
Western education is often rooted in a linear understanding of knowledge, promoting an individualistic approach to learning that can oversimplify the complexity of human experience. This one-dimensional focus leads to a system where education is perceived as mere information accumulation rather than a process of personal and communal growth. In contrast, traditional Māori philosophies emphasize the interconnectedness of all beings, suggesting that true understanding emerges from engagement with the world, rather than detached analysis. This philosophical divergence highlights the need for a more inclusive educational framework that honors diverse ways of knowing.
Interdependence and Collective Wisdom
The idea of interdependence is fundamental in Māori thought, suggesting that individuals cannot be separated from their communities or the wider universe. This collective mentality challenges the Western notion of individualism and encourages a view of education as a shared journey of discovery rather than a solitary pursuit. Emphasizing community and the interconnectedness of all things reveals that revelations and learning often occur through engagement with the non-human world as well. Understanding education through this lens invites a broader recognition of different forms of wisdom that transcend traditional knowledge paradigms.
Humor as a Tool for Reflection
Humor plays a critical role in indigenous cultures, serving as a method of deflecting seriousness while simultaneously facilitating deeper discussions on complex topics. It acts as a means of keeping conversations grounded and accessible, reminding participants not to take themselves too seriously while exploring profound ideas. In Māori contexts, humor can disarm rigidity, allowing for a more fluid exchange of thoughts and ideas that embraces ambiguity. Recognizing the emotional weight of humor enhances communication, promoting resilience and flexibility within indigenous philosophies.
This week it was a huge pleasure to be able to welcome Carl Mika, Professor of Māori and Indigenous Philosophies from Aotearoa, the country now known as New Zealand. As you can probably guess from the title of this episode, this conversation with Carl went pretty deep pretty quickly! That's because underlying the most apparently basic concepts like learning or logic that people use all the time are some pretty fundamental assumptions about the way the world is. And they're certainly not universal to all humans. So what does educating our young people in how to read their worlds mean in this case? Carl Mika is from the Tuhourangi iwi and is Professor of Māori and Indigenous Philosophies, and Head of School of Aotahi: School of Māori and Indigenous Studies, University of Canterbury. His published work includes Indigenous Education and the Metaphysics of Presence was published in 2017, Routledge), along with many articles and chapters, on the issues of colonisation and reductionism; Māori concepts of nothingness and darkness in response to an Enlightenment focus on clarity; mātauranga Māori and science. Carl teaches and researches in educational philosophy and mātauranga Māori, the law, and global studies, as well as aspects of Western philosophy. In 2024, Carl was awarded the University of Canterbury Research Medal. Also In 2024, he was recipient of the University of Canterbury Faculty of Arts Kairangahau Māori Award for research in Māori philosophies (both traditional and contemporary) and Māori methodologies. He is also a Fellow of the Philosophy of Education Society of Australasia (PESA).
You can find further links to Carl's work here: https://profiles.canterbury.ac.nz/Carl-Te-Hira-Lewis-Mika
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