Simon Joyce, "LGBT Victorians: Sexuality and Gender in the Nineteenth-Century Archives" (Oxford UP, 2022)
Dec 5, 2023
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Dr. Simon Joyce, an expert on nineteenth-century archives, explores the rethinking of Victorian sexuality and gender identity. The podcast focuses on topics such as the lives of lesbians in the nineteenth century, the advocacy for tolerance and gender identity by Ulrichs, historical instances of transgender identity, cultural anxiety surrounding male effeminacy, a Victorian man's struggle with homosexuality, and the contrasting perspectives on gender and sexuality debates in England and Ireland. This podcast provides a fresh understanding of the Victorian period and its relevance to LGBTQ+ issues today.
The podcast challenges the idea of Victorian sexual repression and argues for a re-examination of the period's thinking about gender and sexual identity.
The podcast highlights the importance of understanding the connection between gender-based and sexuality-based identities in the 19th century.
The podcast explores the reverse sequence of LGBTQ+ identity development, suggesting that trans and intersex identities laid the foundation for theorizing homosexuality.
Deep dives
The Problematic Notion of Sexual Oppression in the Victorian Era
The podcast episode explores the misconceptions surrounding sexual oppression in the Victorian era. The host speaks with Dr. Simon Joyce, author of 'LGBT Victorian Sexuality and Gender in the 19th Century Archives,' who challenges the idea that the Victorian period was solely characterized by sexual repression. Dr. Joyce examines the complex nature of the historical period, emphasizing that any characterization of the Victorian era is incomplete and subject to individual interpretation. He also discusses the importance of understanding the connection between gender-based identities and sexuality-based identities, which were intertwined in the 19th century.
Exploring the Lives of Same-Sex Couples in the 19th Century
The podcast delves into three case studies of same-sex couples in the 19th century: Anne Lister, the two teachers in the libel case, and Charity Brandtakis and Sylvia Drake. These stories challenge the traditional understanding of same-sex desire during this period. Dr. Joyce highlights the lack of awareness between these couples, demonstrating that their experiences were individual and unique. These case studies also shed light on gender variants, class identity, and religious influences within the context of same-sex relationships in the 19th century.
Alternative Views on Sexual Identity in the 19th Century
Dr. Joyce discusses influential thinkers from the 19th century who shaped how sexual identities were conceptualized. He explores the works of individuals like Carl Westphal and Edward Carpenter, who proposed alternative models of sexuality, including the idea of a 'third sex.' Carpenter's book, 'Love's Coming of Age,' redefines gender norms and challenges the binary understanding of sexuality. Additionally, the trial of Fanny and Stella in 1870-71, two individuals who identified as trans women, marks an important legal case that paved the way for a trans woman subjectivity or identity to emerge. These developments highlight the complexities and diversity of sexual identities in the 19th century.
Historical Sequence of LGBTQ+ Movement
The podcast explores the historical sequence of the LGBTQ+ movement, with the speaker highlighting that the movement did not start with lesbian and gay activism, as commonly believed. Instead, it is argued that figures like Ulrichs theorized homosexuality by examining trans and intersex identities. This challenges the notion that transgender and queer identities emerged later and were added to the movement. The historical record actually suggests a reverse sequence, with the understanding of trans and intersex identities laying the foundation for theorizing homosexuality.
The Decline of Empire and Masculinity Crisis
The podcast discusses how the decline of the British Empire in Victorian England was related to a crisis of masculinity and fear of losing power. This argument draws from the work of Linda Dowling, who posits that the dominant superpower experiences anxiety about the inevitable decline after reaching its apex. Scholars looked at the decline of the Roman Empire, attributing it in part to a breakdown of masculinity. The idea of effeminacy and decadence became associated with imperial decline and political power. Elite individuals in England, such as John Addington Symonds and Edward Carpenter, who engaged with Ulrichs' work, attempted to strip femininity from homosexuality. However, this also disconnected same-sex desire from its historical connection to gender variance, leading to a search for alternative models to understand same-sex relationships.
It has been decades since Michel Foucault urged us to rethink "the repressive hypothesis" and see new forms of sexual discourse as coming into being in the nineteenth century, yet the term "Victorian" still has largely negative connotations. LGBT Victorians: Sexuality and Gender in the Nineteenth-Century Archives(Oxford UP, 2022) argues for re-visiting the period's thinking about gender and sexual identity at a time when our queer alliances are fraying. We think of those whose primary self-definition is in terms of sexuality (lesbians, gay men, bisexuals) and those for whom it is gender identity (intersex and transgender people, genderqueers) as simultaneously in coalition and distinct from each other, on the assumption that gender and sexuality are independent aspects of self-identification. Re-examining how the Victorians considered such identity categories to have produced and shaped each other can ground a more durable basis for strengthening our present LGBTQ+ coalition.
LGBT Victorians draws on scholarship reconsidering the significance of sexology and efforts to retrospectively discover transgender people in historical archives, particularly in the gap between what the nineteenth century termed the sodomite and the hermaphrodite. It highlights a broad range of individuals (including Anne Lister, and the defendants in the "Fanny and Stella" trial of the 1870s), key thinkers and activists (including Karl-Heinrich Ulrichs and Edward Carpenter), and writers such as Walt Whitman and John Addington Symonds to map the complicated landscape of gender and sexuality in the Victorian period. In the process, it decenters Oscar Wilde and his imprisonment from our historical understanding of sexual and gender nonconformity.
Simon Joyce is Professor of English, College of William and Mary. He holds a BA and MA from the University of Sussex and a PhD from the University of Buffalo. He is a Professor of English at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, where he teaches Victorian and modernist literature from Britain and Ireland and LGBTQI+ Studies.
Morteza Hajizadeh is a Ph.D. graduate in English from the University of Auckland in New Zealand. His research interests are Cultural Studies; Critical Theory; Environmental History; Medieval (Intellectual) History; Gothic Studies; 18th and 19th Century British Literature. YouTube channel. Twitter.