In this conversation with Nir Menussi, I found myself reflecting on how much of my life has been about trying to reconcile two worlds: the depth of Torah and the pull of everything outside it. We spoke about the lived application of Kabbalistic ideas, and it hit a familiar nerve. For a long time, I believed I had to choose one world or the other.

Growing up, the message was clear. Everything outside of Judaism was unholy. The books, the music, the teachings. All of it. So when I started finding meaning beyond the boundaries I’d been given, I assumed it meant I had to leave Judaism behind.

For me, real healing began when I stopped separating the two.

We talked about Carl Jung and how voices outside our tradition can still stir something deeply Jewish. I’ve experienced that firsthand. Truth showing up in places I never expected. When the conversation turned to psychedelics, it got even more personal. I’ve seen them used as an escape hatch, a way to dodge pain. But I’ve also seen what happens when there’s real intention and the courage to integrate the experience afterward. The visions aren’t the healing. The healing is what comes after, when the lights are off and you’re left facing yourself.

We covered a lot. The sparks Kabbalah says are hidden in all things. How sometimes the least likely path becomes the most revealing. Nir and I didn’t align on everything. Jung felt more mutual than psychedelics. But we found shared ground in the ongoing search for G-d’s voice, speaking through all parts of life.

I hope you enjoy the conversation. And if Nir’s work resonates, check out his books and his podcast. I’ve been listening regularly, and I’m learning a lot.

See you on the other side,

Eli

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