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‘Textual Backflips’

Jul 2, 2024

Legal expert Ryan Goodman, along with analysts, discusses the Supreme Court ruling on Capitol rioters and its limited impact on Trump's election interference case. They dive into debates on defining official acts, immunity waivers, and Justice Katanji Brown Jackson's concurring opinion on future cases.

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Quick takeaways

Supreme Court ruling on obstruction of an official proceeding after Capitol riot has limited impact on defendants' charges.

Justice Barrett's dissent in the Fisher case emphasizes textual analysis in interpreting the statute.

Deep dives

Implications of the Immunity Decision on Trump's Case

The podcast episode discusses how Donald Trump's attorney sent a letter seeking immunity from prosecution concerning the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels. The defense argues that certain acts, like signing checks in the Oval Office, should not be considered official acts. The Supreme Court's decision on what constitutes an official act in the case sets the stage for potential challenges to evidence presented.

Intro

4min

Defining Official Acts and Immunity Waivers

6min

Discussion on the Fisher Case and Introduction to Ryan Goodman

4min

Analysis of Supreme Court Ruling on Capitol Rioters

14min

Legal implications for lead plaintiff and defendants with previous felonies

2min

Analysis of Justice Katanji Brown Jackson's Concurring Opinion and its Implications for Future Cases

16min

As the fallout from the momentous Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity continues to reverberate, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord offer some updates, then turn to another significant ruling from the High Court out on Friday: Fisher v. U.S. At issue was whether the charge of obstruction of an official proceeding could be applied to Capitol rioters in the wake of their actions on January 6th. Despite the ruling in favor of the defendant, their guest Ryan Goodman of Just Security confirms the limited impact this decision will have on those charged for their role in the chaos of January 6th, and on Donald Trump’s election interference case in D.C.

Further reading: Here is the analysis Ryan, Mary and Andrew wrote regarding the Fischer decision for Just Security: The Limited Effects of Fischer: DOJ Data Reveals Supreme Court’s Narrowing of Jan. 6th Obstruction Charges Will Have Minimal Impact.

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Main Justice

‘Textual Backflips’

Episode guests

Podcast summary created with Snipd AI

Quick takeaways

Deep dives

Implications of the Immunity Decision on Trump's Case

Impact on Fisher Case from Supreme Court's Ruling

Katanji Brown Jackson's Role in Decisions

Amy Coney Barrett's Dissent and Legal Interpretation

Remember Everything You Learn from Podcasts