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Viral Sensation Rutger Bregman On How Utopian Ideas Can Become Reality

Apr 5, 2019
Rutger Bregman, historian and author known for his viral Davos speech advocating higher taxes for the rich, teams up with Helen Lewis to tackle ambitious topics. They discuss the potential of Universal Basic Income and the benefits of a four-day workweek. Bregman critiques GDP as a measure of success, highlighting the overlooked value of caregiving roles. The conversation also delves into the societal pressures of consumerism and emphasizes the importance of meaningful leisure, community, and the feasibility of utopian ideas like open borders.
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INSIGHT

Utopia's Importance

  • Talking about Utopia is important for societal progress.
  • Every societal milestone, like ending slavery or achieving democracy, was once a utopian dream.
ANECDOTE

London Homeless Experiment

  • In London, homeless men given £3,000 found housing and saved money.
  • Stories, even if scientifically weak, are memorable and effective in conveying research findings.
ADVICE

Varied Arguments

  • Use varied arguments to promote progressive ideals.
  • Appeal to both people's sense of care and justice and their financial interests.
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