Eric and Eliot host long time friend and colleague Professor Aaron Friedberg of Princeton to discuss Aaron’s new book Getting China Wrong. They cover why we have persistently underestimated China’s rise as a revisionist power, the failures of the West’s “engagement” strategy, the elements of a different approach to China, dividing Russia and China, and the sorry state of academic political science.

• Getting China Wrong by Aaron Friedberg
• The China Reckoning by Kurt Campbell and Ely Ratner
• Friedberg’s Response to Campbell and Ratner: Did America Get China Wrong?

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