Varn Vlog Boundless and Bottomless (Special): Jay Rogers on Dugin's Fourth Political Theory
Nov 20, 2025
Jay Rogers, author and founder of Media House International, dives into the provocative philosophy of Alexander Dugin's Fourth Political Theory from a Protestant viewpoint. He shares his unique experiences in Russia, contrasting Western media narratives with on-the-ground realities. Rogers critiques the liberal emphasis on individualism, arguing it clashes with Christian community values. He highlights the rise of civilizational states as a response to liberalism, and discusses unexpected political alliances across different traditions, all while tracing Dugin's religious and philosophical evolution.
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On-The-Ground Russian Experience
- Jay Rogers traveled to Russia and Ukraine repeatedly in the 1990s and helped run a Russian-language Christian newspaper called The Forerunner.
- He formed deep friendships there and witnessed a revival among the intelligentsia that shaped his interest in Russian thought.
Civilization-States Replace Nation-States
- Rogers, Huntington, and Ray Dalio see a long civilizational shift away from nation-state liberalism toward civilization-states.
- This shift explains the global turn toward tradition, religion, and community-centered politics.
Dugin's Recognition In Russia
- Rogers reports every Russian and Ukrainian he spoke with had heard of Dugin, though Western awareness is low.
- He notes Dugin resonates with the Russian intelligentsia even if official influence is mixed.
