

Episode 94: Kermit Roosevelt III
Sep 9, 2022
Kermit Roosevelt III, a historian and author of "The Nation That Never Was," critiques traditional American narratives that often glorify violent rebellion as patriotism. He discusses the need for a more honest recounting of history that acknowledges marginalized voices. The conversation covers the complexities of inclusivity in U.S. politics, the moral significance of national anthems, and how historical protests relate to modern movements like Black Lives Matter. Roosevelt advocates for a narrative that inspires unity and true patriotism.
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Declaration's Original Meaning Limited
- The Declaration of Independence's phrase "all men are created equal" did not originally imply universal equality or condemn slavery.
- It was intended to justify colonists' rebellion against Britain, not to support enslaved people's rights or uprisings.
Insiders vs Outsiders in Founding Era
- "We the people" in the original Constitution referred exclusively to the insiders, mainly property-owning white men.
- Birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment later expanded this political community inclusively.
Unity Over Equality in History
- Unity was the main value during America's founding and early constitutional moments.
- This unity often required sacrificing equality and racial justice through compromises on slavery.