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304 | James Evans on Innovation, Consolidation, and the Science of Science

Feb 10, 2025

James Evans, a leading expert on collective intelligence and knowledge construction, sheds light on the intricate dynamics of scientific innovation. He discusses how successful scientists often struggle to explain their methods and the importance of studying science scientifically. The conversation delves into the role of surprise in experimentation, the bias of funding models favoring older researchers, and how collaboration can impact scientific disagreements. Evans emphasizes that embracing freshness and diversity is crucial for breakthrough innovations.

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Effective scientific practices necessitate a strategic balance between innovative exploration and securing ongoing support amidst finite research resources.

Collaboration across diverse fields is essential for groundbreaking discoveries, as unexpected partnerships often yield the most innovative outcomes in scientific research.

The integration of AI into scientific inquiry enhances data analysis capabilities, but raises important questions about scientific creativity and human interpretation of AI insights.

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Challenges in Scientific Research

Scientific research presents numerous challenges that researchers must navigate, including the selection of meaningful problems to work on within finite resources. Scientists need to balance the pursuit of groundbreaking discoveries with securing support for their ongoing work, ensuring that their contributions are both innovative and relevant. The tension between choosing conventional topics versus niche areas highlights the inherent risk in scientific exploration. Ultimately, researchers must strategically assess which problems are worth pursuing while also considering the future of scientific inquiry and funding opportunities.

Intro

2min

Navigating Innovation in Scientific Research

19min

The Role of Surprise in Scientific Innovation and Thought

4min

Innovation Through Abduction

13min

Exploring Innovation and Age Dynamics in Science Funding

2min

Navigating Scientific Disagreements

17min

Innovation and Complexity in Science

22min

It is a feature of many human activities - sports, cooking, music, interpersonal relations - that being able to do them well doesn't necessarily mean you can accurately describe how to do them well. Science is no different. Many successful scientists are not very good at explaining what goes into successful scientific practice. To understand that, it's necessary to study science in a scientific fashion. What kinds of scientists, in what kinds of collaborations, using what kinds of techniques, do well? I talk with James Evans, an expert on collective intelligence and the construction of knowledge, about how science really works.

Blog post with transcript: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2025/02/10/304-james-evans-on-innovation-consolidation-and-the-science-of-science/

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James Evans received his Ph.D. in Sociology from Stanford University. He is currently the Max Palevsky Professor of History and Civilizations, Director of Knowledge Lab, and Faculty Director of Computational Social Science at the University of Chicago; External Professor at the Santa Fe Institute; External Faculty at the Complexity Science Hub, Vienna; and Visiting Faculty Researcher at Google.

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