Today, Penn Jillette of Penn and Teller joins us. But first, we discuss that photo of Pilot Pete and Kelley! What does Nick think of them hanging out? Then, Penn tells us about why he always questions social norms, Nick and Penn discuss how to avoid an "us vs. them" mentality, and Penn shares why he prefers to break up on vacation.

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E111 Penn Jillette on Breaking Up in Hawaii