Decoding the Gurus A Sense-Making Odyssey, Part 1: Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke & Jordan Hall
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Sep 11, 2025 
In this thought-provoking discussion, Jordan Peterson, a renowned Canadian psychologist and author, joins thinkers John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall to navigate complex themes of sense-making. They explore the dynamics of shared values and their impact on society, delve into the psychological constructs of conscience, and the power of self-sacrifice. The conversation also examines the distinction between human consciousness and AI, while unpacking the significance of meaningful dialogue in shaping moral frameworks and personal beliefs. Prepare for an intellectual journey filled with rich insights!
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Conversation As A Value-Mapping Project
- Jordan Peterson frames the conversation as specifying principles for a resilient society and stable psyche.
- He casts the project as tracing an apex toward which systems of value strive.
Vertical Ladder Of Value
- Peterson repeatedly uses a vertical-ladder metaphor (Jacob's ladder) to describe nested value hierarchies.
- He equates ascending that ladder with moving from finite plans toward a transcendent pinnacle.
Conscience As Nested Reasons
- Peterson links conscience to a vertical hierarchy: proximal reasons nest inside wider reasons that shade into the unknowable.
- He uses nested justification to argue conscience signals higher-order values.
