Daniel Görtz, one of the authors behind the Hanzi Freinacht works, explores the topic of metamodern spirituality with Brendan Graham Dempsey in a rich and illuminating discussion. After some initial exposition highlighting important distinctions between the metamodern and integral paradigms, Görtz and Dempsey dive into considering the implications of metamodern developmental thought for religion and theology, tracking the evolution of "God" into metamodernity. Meta-religious frameworks, as well as the relationship of the Model of Hierarchical Complexity to theories of "consciousness evolution," are also considered. The conversation concludes with a look towards metamodern mythopoetic and praxipoetic possibilities on the horizon, and the challenge to shape new containers for spiritual expression in metamodernity.

0:00 Introduction

1:02 Metamodernism vs. Integral: In Search of Post-Postmodern Social Transformation

19:09 Millenarian Woo vs. Gradual Spiritualization

28:08 Towards a Metamodern God: Teleology, Oscillation, and the Development of Religion

43:34 The Headless God: The Relentless Murder and Resurrection of Spirit

48:32 Meta-Religion? A Stage-Model Metanarrative for the Evolution of God

1:00:40 Cognitive Development or Consciousness Evolution?

1:12:00 Metamodern Prophets and Sincerely Ironic Saints

1:26:55 A Challenge to Co-Create New Religious Praxis

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