In this conversation, Adam Walter and Neil Groulx discuss the evolving landscape of security services, emphasizing the shift from niche to general industry as more Managed Service Providers (MSPs) enter the space. They explore the importance of compliance as a service, the nuances of penetration testing across different industries, and the need for tailored security solutions that address unique attack vectors. The discussion highlights the balance between security measures and productivity, advocating for industry-specific approaches to cybersecurity.