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Cautionary Tales with Tim Harford

Embracing the Escape Fire (with Adam Grant)

Aug 2, 2024
In this engaging conversation, organizational psychologist Adam Grant, renowned for his books *Think Again* and *Hidden Potential*, joins Tim Harford. They dive into Steve Jobs' surprising journey from disdain for mobile phones to innovating the smartphone. The duo explores the dangers of rigid thinking in crises and the critical need for adaptability. They also discuss the rise and fall of the BlackBerry, emphasizing how innovation requires flexibility and the courage to rethink established ideas for progress.
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  • The tragic events at Mann Gulch demonstrate the dangers of cognitive entrenchment, as firefighters clung to their identity rather than adapting for survival.
  • The downfall of BlackBerry highlights the critical need for leaders to remain flexible and open to rethinking strategies amid technological advancements.

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The Mann Gulch Tragedy

In August 1949, a group of 15 smoke jumpers parachuted into Mann Gulch, Montana, to combat a rapidly spreading wildfire. Their mission soon transformed into a desperate fight for survival as the fire shifted direction and barreled toward them with frightening speed. As they attempted to reach the safety of a nearby ridge, their heavy equipment hindered their escape, illustrating the physical and psychological challenges they faced. Ultimately, the foreman, Wagner Dodge, implemented an unorthodox survival tactic, which involved creating an escape fire by burning the grass in front of him. Unfortunately, most of his crew was unwilling or unable to follow this risky strategy, resulting in the tragic loss of 12 lives.

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