In this episode of History 102, 'WhatIfAltHist' creator Rudyard Lynch is joined again by Bismarck Analysis's Samo Burja (podcast host: Live Players) for a mind-bending discussion and deep dive into the concept of "long ripples" — how ideas and events from the distant past continue to shape our present and future in unexpected ways. From Plato's influence on modern political movements to the unforeseen consequences of the Industrial Revolution, this conversation challenges our understanding of historical cause and effect.

Are we truly progressing, or are we caught in cycles we fail to recognize? Can we learn from the past, or are we doomed to repeat it in new, technologically-amplified ways? This episode is a rollercoaster ride through time, technology, and human nature, forcing us to reconsider our place in the grand sweep of history. 

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(00:15) Exploring Plato's Influence

(05:10) Historical Ripples and Convergent Evolution

(06:45) The Fall of Civilizations

(12:43) Comparing Civilizational Cycles

(17:42) The Future of Human Civilization

(23:30) Sponsor: Dealcraft | Fundrise

(29:02) AI and Genetic Engineering: Potential and Pitfalls

(33:30) Pandemic Era Reflections

(34:04) Genetic Engineering and Society

(34:49) Sponsor: WorkOS

(35:43) 19th Century Misconceptions

(38:23) Cycles of Societal Transformation

(40:54) Intellectual Decay and Historical Rewriting

(43:13) Anthropology and Cultural Studies

(45:34) Decline of Western Institutions

(52:12) Space Exploration and Technological Decline

(1:00:15) Hypernormalization and Social Reality

(1:01:39) Wrap

BOOKS MENTIONED:

• What Is To Be Done? by Vladimir Lenin
• Homo Deus by Yuval Noah Harari's
• Fitzpatrick's War by Theodore Judson