The pandemic’s US death toll shows no signs of abating and the holiday season’s spike will likely dwarf any surge that came before it. But in the midst of this dark winter there are glimmers of hope, as the first of the COVID-19 vaccines have nearly arrived (or, depending on when you read this, already have). On the podcast this week, Ian Bremmer interviews Noubar Afeyan, the co-founder of a leading vaccine developer Moderna. They’ll discuss distribution plans, the revolutionary science behind Moderna’s vaccine, and how a company younger than Twitter became a frontrunner in the race to end the pandemic.

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