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There is speculation that UFOs crash due to factors like nuclear blast fallout, EMP effects, or as a deliberate action to send a message. Another theory suggests that their crashes could be a result of the inherent temperamental nature of their technology. It is also possible that these crashes are not seen as significant by these advanced beings, similar to how we view crashing drones or consider them expendable. Furthermore, the idea of advanced technology may not be linear, as different civilizations could have excelled in different areas. The limitations of our human perception and our technological approach to understanding the world might be hindering our understanding of these crashes.
There is a contrast between the scientific pursuit of understanding the world and the human experience. While science aims to uncover objective truths, it can sometimes undermine our perception of ourselves and our uniqueness. Science often leads us to consider ourselves as small and insignificant in the grand scheme of the universe. However, there is an argument that significance can be found in our capacity to love, connect, and lead virtuous lives. Maybe these qualities hold more power and truth than any technological advancement.
The process of scientific exploration can inadvertently lead to feelings of insignificance or the sense of diminishing self-importance. The pursuit of scientific understanding often involves challenging our existing beliefs and expanding our knowledge of the world, which can sometimes make us feel small. However, it is important to recognize that scientific exploration is just one perspective and should not diminish the inherent value and potential of human beings as individuals capable of love, connection, and personal growth.
The podcast episode delves into the idea that heightened states of consciousness may be related to experiencing UFO phenomena. This speculation is based on theories involving brain function, such as Penrose's Orchestrated Objective Reduction and the role of the brain's microtubules in collapsing wave functions. This exploration aims to bridge the gap between the scientific and the mystical aspects of UFO encounters.
The episode suggests that private companies may hold the majority of information regarding UFOs rather than the government. This could be due to the ability of private companies to keep secrets and avoid revealing their research and technologies through the use of proprietary data and IP laws. This private sector control could contribute to the continued concealment of UFO information that the government may prefer to remain undisclosed.
The podcast discusses theories that go beyond extraterrestrial explanations for UFO encounters. These theories explore concepts such as temporal non-locality, multiverse branches, consciousness-matter interaction, and the possibility of time reversal. These speculative ideas attempt to provide possible explanations and frameworks for understanding phenomena that extend beyond our current scientific understanding.
Jesse Michaels emphasizes the need for a balance between theory and data in UFO research. He points out that while increased sensor data can provide a better understanding of activity and hotspots, it does not necessarily lead to a breakthrough in our understanding. Michaels suggests that we should focus on developing theories and frameworks to make sense of the existing data, rather than solely relying on amassing more data. He highlights the significance of historical analysis and the insights we can gain from studying past scientists and their involvement in the UFO phenomenon.
Michaels discusses the uncertain future events that could impact global stability. Referring to potential conflicts in the Middle East, Russia, and China's intentions towards Taiwan, he emphasizes the existing geopolitical tensions and the potential for escalation. Michaels cautions that the world is in a high potential energy state, and the outcome is impossible to predict. He also notes the need for better understanding and navigation of geopolitical dynamics, emphasizing the importance of staying informed and exploring alternative frameworks to navigate the complex global landscape.
The podcast host discusses the financial struggles faced by the channel due to low ad revenue. The lack of high-paying sponsorships has exacerbated the situation, leading to unforeseen expenses and poor deals. The host takes full responsibility for these mishaps and expresses gratitude to the loyal subscribers for their support. Various projects, such as developing AI tools for audio enhancement, are in the works to improve the channel's content and reach a wider audience. The host acknowledges the importance of quality over quantity and aims to continue delivering in-depth and thought-provoking conversations.
The podcast host and guest discuss the ongoing challenges of studying and reporting on UFO phenomena. Both express feelings of disappointment and fatigue when expectations of groundbreaking revelations go unfulfilled. However, they also highlight the value of diving deep into the subject matter and the need for critical thinking and weeding out misinformation. The host stresses the importance of persisting in the pursuit of truth and staying open to synchronicities and unexpected connections. They share their experiences with pressure to constantly produce content and the impact it can have on personal well-being. Despite the challenges, they remain committed to exploring the mysteries of the universe and advancing the conversation.
YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA
Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch's claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal.
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NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist.
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LINKS MENTIONED:
- Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
- Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
- A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP
- Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6
- Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH
- Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE
- The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW
- Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
- Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
- Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
- News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
- UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
- The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
- The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
- Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
- Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
- Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
- Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
- Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
- Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
- Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc
TIMESTAMPS:
- 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch...
- 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
- 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
- 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
- 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch
- 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
- 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?
- 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
- 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
- 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
- 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses)
- 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
- 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
- 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
- 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
- 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
- 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
- 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence
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