Jesse Michels: UFOs, David Grusch, Venture Capital
Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal
Intro
This chapter explores the complexities surrounding UFO theories, considering the possibility of extraterrestrial interactions as meaningful rather than sensational. It highlights the necessity for a thoughtful dialogue on the subject, contrasting it with the often exaggerated narratives in mainstream media.
YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA
Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch's claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal.
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NOTE: The perspectives expressed by guests don't necessarily mirror my own. There's a versicolored arrangement of people on TOE, each harboring distinct viewpoints, as part of my endeavor to understand the perspectives that exist.
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LINKS MENTIONED:
- Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
- Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
- A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP
- Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6
- Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH
- Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE
- The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW
- Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
- Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
- Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
- News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
- UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
- The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
- The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
- Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
- Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
- Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
- Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
- Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
- Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
- Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc
TIMESTAMPS:
- 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch...
- 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies
- 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
- 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is
- 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch
- 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)
- 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?
- 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes
- 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures
- 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)
- 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses)
- 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs
- 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
- 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
- 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)
- 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb
- 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon
- 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence
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