Joe Holder—founder of The Ocho System, Nike Master Trainer, and wellness visionary—sits down with Michael Chernow to talk about feeling good for life. From the power of low-intensity workouts to the irreplaceable advice he received from Virgil Abloh, this episode is packed with real talk on movement, mindset, and modern wellness.

Today, the two explore:

The dangers of fitness extremes and burnout
Why breathwork and somatics matter now more than ever
Men’s wellness and how to start prioritizing it
Easy habits that actually stick
How low-intensity training can completely change how you feel
Workout tips straight from Joe’s own method

Whether you’re a biohacker, weekend warrior, or just trying to move better and feel stronger, Joe drops gems you won’t want to miss. See you next week, Kreatures!

TIMESTAMPS:

1:18 When does fitness influence become unhealthy?

15:39 Benefits of breathwork and somatics

30:46 Prioritizing men’s wellness

40:13 Habits anyone can implement

54:40 The best advice Joe got from Virgil Abloh

1:08:58 Why low-intensity workouts = high-impact results

1:21:00 Inside look at Joe’s personal workout programming

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