Johnnyswim's Amanda Sudano and Abner Ramirez sit down with Matt and Abby to talk about their new album, which explores love, depression, and health struggles. Amanda reflects on her mother Donna Summer’s legacy, while Abner shares how psilocybin played a role in his healing and faith. They also open up about surviving the California wildfires, the impact of therapy on their marriage, and writing through life’s hardest moments.

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