We Can Do Hard Things

Katie Gavin: How to Know What You Want

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Oct 9, 2025
Katie Gavin, a talented musician and member of the pop band MUNA, dives into desire, recovery, and intergenerational healing. She shares insights on identifying one’s true desires and the courage it takes to pursue them. Katie discusses the complexities of love addiction, likening it to a cosmic treadmill, and how embracing feminine agency transformed her outlook. She also reveals the personal journey behind her solo album, What A Relief, highlighting the importance of emotional honesty and accountability in creativity and life.
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INSIGHT

Desire Is A Guiding Kernel

  • Katie Gavin says desire is a kernel inside you that knows what you want and can guide action.
  • Listening to that inner signal and having courage to follow it reshapes creative and personal life.
ADVICE

Chisel Desire By Rejecting 'Not That'

  • Try things and use 'not that' feedback to chisel toward what you want.
  • Don't suffer through mismatches; quickly recognize and move on from what isn't right.
ANECDOTE

Solo Album Reclaimed Her Voice

  • Katie recorded solo songs while Muna worked and realized they meant something uniquely hers.
  • She released What A Relief to reclaim joy in songwriting and reconnect to her creative self.
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