In this conversation, Gavon and Noel discuss Noel's journey in the design world, the role of a creative director, and the impact of hype culture in marketing. They explore the importance of storytelling and identity in design, and Noel shares his admiration for artists like Milton Glaser and Paul Rand.

Noel discusses his early interest in creativity, various roles in graphic design and art direction, and the importance of networking and collaboration. Noel emphasizes the need for authenticity and self-expression while cautioning against the pressure to conform to societal expectations.