On with Kara Swisher Making Trump Pay with E. Jean Carroll and Roberta Kaplan
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Jul 17, 2025 Join E. Jean Carroll, a writer and former advice columnist known for her bold accusations against Donald Trump, and Roberta Kaplan, her civil rights attorney famous for winning landmark cases. They dive into the tumultuous legal battles over sexual assault allegations, unveiling potential evidence tied to Jeffrey Epstein. The conversation tackles courtroom absurdities, emotional turmoil, and the complexities of presidential immunity. With reflections on resilience and the power of collective action, it’s a captivating discussion on justice in high-stakes law.
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Courtroom Drama and Trial Anecdote
- E. Jean Carroll described the trial as a surreal mix of wit, seriousness, and absurd courtroom drama.
- Roberta Kaplan’s courtroom arguments were so intense Trump stormed out, signaling his guilt.
Authenticity and Simplicity in Trials
- Let a witness be authentic to maintain credibility and jury connection.
- Simplify language to avoid alienating jurors and improve understanding during testimony.
Victim's Real Courtroom Moments
- E. Jean Carroll laughed during her attack, which confused the defense but reflected real trauma responses.
- She broke down emotionally only when asked if she regretted taking the case to trial.
