The Fifth Column

On "The Summer of Our Discontent" w/ Thomas Chatterton Williams

Aug 26, 2025
Thomas Chatterton Williams, a writer renowned for his focus on culture and identity, dives deep into the themes of his latest book, *The Summer of Our Discontent*. He reflects on the optimism of the Obama era and the complexities of the Trump years, highlighting how the summer of 2020 reshaped societal conversations on race. Williams explores the dynamics of 'wokeness' and its impact on personal identity versus group identity, advocating for deeper empathy and understanding in today's cultural discourse.
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ADVICE

Harden Your Skin For Contentious Writing

  • Develop a thick skin if you write about culture or contentious topics.
  • Expect hateful reactions and brace for a difficult climate for nuanced voices.
INSIGHT

2020 Changed The Cultural Baseline

  • The summer of 2020 was a turning point that reshaped public discourse beyond race alone.
  • Williams argues we must re-teach earlier philosophical moorings to new generations who missed that era.
INSIGHT

Obama's Era Left A Missed Optimism

  • Obama's era generated hope for a multi-ethnic society that many younger people haven't experienced.
  • Williams sees viral response to his Daily Show clip as evidence that nostalgia for that hope exists.
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