Episode 386: Stuck with toil and how to get a dev job as a self-taught career-switcher in 2023
Dec 11, 2023
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Topics discussed include frustrations of a senior lead SRE, building clout and playing politics in an organization, the nature of convincing groups, prospects for self-taught developers in the tech industry, challenges of entering product marketing, and the importance of messaging and handover to the marketing team.
In a senior/lead position, the listener feels frustrated by the lack of attention given to automating toil and cleaning up tech debt, resulting in excessive cleanup work and imbalanced distribution of tasks.
Transitioning to a software development career as a self-taught developer may require starting at an entry-level position due to the lack of technical experience, but there is potential for rapid growth and leveraging existing soft skills and domain knowledge.
Deep dives
The challenges faced by a senior lead position
The anonymous listener describes feeling stuck in a senior lead position, where they find themselves doing cleanup work and suggesting automation and tech debt cleanup, which is ignored until some principal engineer decides it's worth solving. They express their frustration and exhaustion with the current situation and contemplate whether to go for a management job. The listener is unsure about the prospects of career-changing self-taught developers landing a decent job and wonders if it's possible to find a non-junior position. The hosts emphasize the need to start at an entry-level role due to the lack of technical experience, while also acknowledging the potential for a faster trajectory due to soft skills and collaboration abilities.
Transitioning to a software development career
The listener named Josh asks about the viability of transitioning to a software development career as a self-taught developer without prior professional experience. They express concerns about finding a job and starting at an entry-level position, which would require resetting their existing nine-year career. The hosts share their perspective that transitioning developers would generally be hired in junior roles and explain the reasons behind this. They highlight the importance of technical skills and suggest that the transition may take some time, including a period of being a junior developer, but also emphasize the opportunity for rapid growth and the potential to leverage existing soft skills and domain knowledge in related fields.
In this episode, Dave and Jamison answer these questions:
I feel like I’m stuck. I’m in a senior/lead position technically called an SRE, but I find myself doing all kinds of cleanup work that should instead be spread across teams. My suggestions for automating toil and cleaning up tech debt fall on deaf ears until some principal engineer decides a couple of months down the line some problem is worth solving (then it’s urgent!!1).
I’ve experienced this at a few companies now and see some patterns, but I’m not sure what the way out is yet. It seems I need to find the most respected person (and fight them! just kidding), gain their trust, and play politics to get basic problems solved and work properly distributed.
I am exhausted. If you want me to lead, then give me the power I need to lead. If you want me to be a cog, then make it a decent work environment and pay enough. I feel like I’m stuck in some sort of purgatory. I’m considering going for a management job, but I think I’d hate it.
How can I find a 9-5 that isn’t soul sucking and run by a few people who have the ear of the C-level?
As two people who lead engineering teams, have conducting tons of interviews for developers and hired many, what are your opinions on the prospects of career changing self-taught developers landing a decent job in 2023 forward? I have a career in Product Marketing, working very closely with Product, Engineering, and Sales teams. I believe I bring a lot of the “soft skills” to the table and am teaching myself the “hard skills”. My concerns are that it will be incredibly difficult to actually find a job and, if I do, it’ll be an entry level role that effectively resets my existing 9-year career back to the starting blocks. In your experiences, would you hire folks looking to make a career move in anything other than junior positions, or would you be wary of them in favor of other candidates?
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