Not Backing Down On Recession Call | David Rosenberg on Wealth Effect, Uncle Sam, and Stock Market Price Bubble
Oct 28, 2024
auto_awesome
David Rosenberg, founder of Rosenberg Research & Associates Inc., shares his economic insights and forecasts a recession by 2025, citing low savings rates and inflated consumer spending. He critiques the disconnect between GDP growth and economic reality, emphasizing unrealistic stock market valuations. Rosenberg discusses the potential for a stock market price bubble and the risks of passive investing. He also highlights emerging market opportunities and the bullish trend in gold, as central banks shift reserves toward the precious metal amid recession concerns.
David Rosenberg emphasizes the likelihood of a recession by 2025, driven by low savings rates and a stock market bubble.
The discrepancy between GDP growth and survey data highlights hidden economic weaknesses masked by government fiscal policies and deficits.
Concerns about the sustainability of consumer spending arise from a widening gap between high-income consumers and those struggling with rising living costs.
Deep dives
Divergence in Economic Indicators
The current state of the U.S. economy presents a perplexing disconnect between survey data and GDP numbers. While government data suggests robust growth at around 3%, survey data from private sectors indicates a more modest expansion of approximately 1.5%. This discrepancy raises questions about the true health of the economy, especially as recent reports show significant parts of the economy in stagnation or contraction. Surveys, including the Beige Book, echo concerns typical of previous recessions, challenging the prevailing narrative of economic exceptionalism.
Impact of Government Spending
Government fiscal policy plays a crucial role in masking underlying economic weakness, as evidenced by the sustained deficit to GDP ratio exceeding 6%. This inflow of government funds creates an illusion of strength that may not reflect the real economic activity in the private sector. The analysis highlights that even with significant government support, the true growth is much lower than what's suggested by GDP statistics. The author argues that the ongoing fiscal support from the government is acting as a major factor making up for the lagging private sector performance.
Consumer Spending Trends
Consumer spending predominantly underpins economic activity, yet its sustainability appears precarious. Data indicate that spending is heavily influenced by the equity wealth effect, where increases in stock prices encourage higher spending despite reduced savings rates. Furthermore, a divide exists where high-income consumers continue to spend, while lower-income households struggle due to a high cost of living, limiting their expenditure beyond essentials. This imbalance raises concerns about the resilience of consumer spending, which is vital for economic stability.
Potential Recession Timing and Severity
A potential recession is anticipated but the exact timing remains uncertain, with historical patterns suggesting a significant lag after monetary tightening measures. The analysis draws parallels to previous cycles, highlighting how a long waiting period can occur before economic downturns materialize. Concerns are also raised about possible GDP declines of 3% or more, should consumer spending steeply revert back to pre-pandemic savings patterns. This drastic shift could amplify the economic challenges faced by households, affecting overall growth.
Concerns Over Market Valuation and Future Impacts
The discussion underscores apprehensions surrounding the inflated valuations in equity markets, suggesting they resemble bubbles seen in previous economic cycles. A pivotal point made is that most investors are overexposed to equities, lacking diversification, which poses a risk to the economy as market corrections occur. The interconnectedness of consumer confidence and equity market performance can lead to severe implications for household spending, should a downturn transpire. Overall, it remains vital to monitor the equity landscape as its volatility could directly influence broader economic health.
David Rosenberg, founder and president of Rosenberg Research & Associates Inc., joins Jack Farley on Monetary Matters to argue why a recession is likely to occur as soon as 2025. Rosenberg points to the low savings rate and argues that fiscal deficits and a stock market price bubble are boosting consumer spending and that this will reverse if the stock market stops going up. Recorded on October 25, 2024.