Shape Changes: Right-Wing Extremists and the US-Russia Cold War (originally aired 1/6/2022)
Jul 8, 2022
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Jared Holt, an expert on right-wing extremism, discusses the evolving face of right-wing extremism and its cross fertilization with anti-vaxxers. Joe Weisberg, creator of 'The Americans,' talks about ending the Cold War with Russia, his time in the Soviet Union, and the portrayal of spies in the TV show. They also delve into the threats of right-wing extremist movements and the urgency to combat these challenges.
Right-wing extremist movements have shifted their focus to decentralized organizing at the local level, allowing them to be more politically effective and evade scrutiny.
Deplatforming and labeling efforts by social media companies can reduce the influence of extremist groups in the short or medium term, but a more comprehensive solution requires reconsidering the design and incentives of social media platforms.
Deep dives
Changing Shape of Threats to American Democracy
The violent takeover of the Capitol and the attempt to halt the certification of the presidential election brought into bold relief the profound schisms in society and the growing power of the far right. The far-right extremist movement has adapted and evolved in the past year, emphasizing decentralization and focusing on smaller state and local organizing groups. This shift allows them to evade scrutiny and be more politically effective. They have targeted issues such as racial justice, opposition to critical race theory, and opposition to public safety mandates and protocols. There has also been a cross-fertilization between extremist groups and anti-vaxxers.
Impact of Deplatforming and Labeling on Extremist Movements
Deplatforming and labeling efforts by social media companies can have short or medium-term effects in reducing the influence of extremist groups. It can remove their platforms and diminish their reach and impact. However, deplatforming alone is not a comprehensive solution to the spread of disinformation and extremism. The design and incentives of social media platforms, which prioritize attention and clickbait, need to be reconsidered. While some extremist groups have migrated to alternative platforms, they still seek engagement on mainstream platforms due to their wider reach. The effectiveness of labeling and moderation efforts is mixed.
The Concerns and Adaptation of Extremist Movements
The rise of decentralized organizing within extremist movements is driven by concerns about increased scrutiny from the public, journalists, and law enforcement. Localized activism at school boards, running for state office, or engaging in political party precinct positions allows them to be more productive and effective. This small-scale activism can lead to changes in political discourse and outcomes at higher levels. Extremist movements have shifted their attention to opposition against racial justice, critical race theory, LGBTQ+ rights, and public safety protocols related to the pandemic.
The Complexity of the US-Russia Relationship
The creator of 'The Americans', Joseph Weisberg, challenges the black-and-white narrative of the US-Russia relationship during the Cold War and beyond. He highlights the complex realities and motivations of both the KGB and the CIA agents, emphasizing that they are not simply 'good guys' or 'bad guys.' Weisberg argues that understanding the perspective and concerns of the Russian government, even amidst their questionable actions, is essential for effective engagement and diplomacy. He suggests that finding areas of mutual interest and accommodating each other's concerns could provide a more productive approach to US-Russia relations.
This week: Jeanne Meserve talks with the Atlantic Council’s Jared Holt about the evolving face of right-wing extremism. Joe Weisberg, creator of the hit spy drama “The Americans,” defends his argument on ending the Cold War with Russia with Jeff Stein.