

1: A Tale of Two Churches
16 snips Mar 4, 2025
In this insightful conversation, Pastor Caleb Campbell, a former neo-Nazi turned evangelical leader, shares his urgent concerns about rising Christian nationalism in the U.S. He contrasts loving interpretations of Christianity with combative political messages. Caleb delves into the evolution of churches like Dream City, their outreach efforts, and how extremist ideologies are reshaping American faith landscapes. His personal journey underscores the challenges of navigating faith in a polarized society, emphasizing the need for compassion and understanding.
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Pastor Caleb’s Bible‑Nerd Sermon Style
- Caleb Campbell leads a modest evangelical church in Phoenix with a personable, Bible-nerd style.
- His preaching emphasizes love for enemies and servant leadership rather than culture-war attacks.
Dream City’s Culture‑War Worship
- Dream City Church uses high-energy megachurch production and sharp culture-war rhetoric.
- Pastor Ash mocked LGBTQ identities and framed 'wokeness' as a spiritual enemy during services.
What Christian Nationalism Demands
- Christian nationalism argues the church should control government and shape law.
- The ideology blurs religious belief and political power, pushing an exclusionary vision of America.