The daughter of a famous woman has exposed the reality of caring for someone with dementia in her new book. It’s honest, raw, confronting… but how much of the story is her’s to tell?

And do we want a ‘big life’, or are we okay with something smaller? Jessie, Holly and Em Vernem discuss, but one of us is lying about our answer.

Also, our recommendations for your mouth and ears including a podcast which might make you teary, the best veggie side dish recipe, and a stay-put lipstick that Em swears by.

Plus, Em has a bone to pick with tunnels, Jessie is entering terrible two territory, and Holly’s life-changing appliance upgrade: it’s our Bests & Worsts of the week.

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Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

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