The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “Shaving Face” Edition

May 7, 2025
Join Anastasiia Lapatina, a savvy journalist and researcher focused on Ukrainian politics, as she engages in a riveting discussion about recent shifts in national security leadership and the implications for U.S.-Ukraine relations. They delve into a controversial minerals agreement and its potential to exploit Ukraine’s vulnerability while exploring Russia's ambitions in the Arctic amidst sanctions. The conversation is rich with insights, revealing the complexities of geopolitics, and sprinkled with light-hearted moments that keep it engaging.
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INSIGHT

Leadership Shift Masks Real Power

  • Mike Waltz was removed as National Security Advisor in a way that masks it as a promotion.
  • Rubio's new dual role may give him titular power but not substantive influence over policy.
INSIGHT

Proximity Trumps Position in DC

  • Ukrainians see the US administration switch as symbolic but not policy-changing.
  • Real influence over Trump’s Ukraine policy comes from personal proximity, not titles or positions.
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NSAdvisor Role Offers Proximity Potential

  • National Security Advisor position offers better institutional proximity to Trump than Secretary of State.
  • Influence depends more on personal relationship with Trump than formal title or role.
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