The Quanta Podcast

Sleep Is Not All or Nothing

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Nov 11, 2025
Yasemin Saplakoglu, a science staff writer for Quanta Magazine, dives into the fascinating world of sleep and wakefulness transitions. She explains that sleep is a spectrum, highlighting the groggy mixed states of the brain. Discover how hypnagogic states can spark creativity, with techniques used by famous figures like Salvador Dalí and Thomas Edison. Yasemin also discusses sleep disorders and local sleep, revealing intriguing insights into how parts of our brain can nap while we're awake. This exploration opens the door to potential sleep therapies.
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INSIGHT

Sleep Exists On A Spectrum

  • Sleep is not an all-or-nothing state but a spectrum where parts of the brain can be awake while others sleep.
  • This mosaic explains mixed experiences during falling asleep and waking, like hallucinations and partial awareness.
INSIGHT

Sleep Starts Deep And Moves Outward

  • Falling asleep begins deep in the brain and then propagates outward to the cortex in a predictable cascade.
  • The shutdown proceeds front-to-back, with higher-order thinking sleeping before sensory areas.
ANECDOTE

Dali's Creative Dozing Trick

  • Salvador Dalí sat holding an object so it would drop and wake him during the hypnagogic state to capture creative ideas.
  • He believed waking at that moment boosted his creative output and then painted afterward.
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