276. The Light and Dark Sides of Power, with Nicole Massie Martin, author of Nailing It

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In a world that celebrates rapid growth, platform-building, and constant success, it’s easy to take on leadership strategies that promise bigger, better, and faster results. But when these approaches clash with the invitation of Jesus to embrace the cross, where does true, lasting influence come from?

In this episode, Nicole Massie Martin, author of Nailing It, unpacks the spiritual paradox at the heart of healthy leadership—how surrender, humility, and even seasons of struggle can form us as leaders and empower the people we serve.

THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCUDE:

• Christian leaders often merge values like maximizing and growing their ministries, risking a "resurrection only" mindset that ignores suffering.
• Markus Watson highlights that the moments of deepest closeness with God often emerge from times of pain.
• Nicole Martin frames power neutrally, stating that its impact depends on how leaders use it—to empower or to hoard.
• Power must be used for God’s glory and for empowering others, not for self-aggrandizement.
• Markus Watson admits that the temptation for influence and control is a real struggle in leadership, even when intentions are good.
• Nicole Martin explains that surrendering power as a leader looks like developing teams and creating an environment where others feel empowered to fulfill their calling.
• Nicole Martin shares a personal story of feeling powerless as a board member until another leader affirmed her authority and encouraged her participation.
• Empowerment should be modeled by leaders who intentionally invite others to use their own power and gifts.
• Ego is complex and influenced by cultural worldviews such as honor-shame, guilt-innocence, and power-fear.
• Nicole Martin emphasizes the importance of anchoring one’s self-worth in the love of God, not in achievement or shame.
• Markus Watson describes how personal failure and pain loosened his unhealthy grip on ego and led him to ground his worth in being God’s beloved.
• Nicole Martin asserts that healthy ego in leadership is characterized by deep confidence, humility, and openness, rooted in one’s belovedness by God.
• Leaders must recalibrate their pace and surrender speed to God’s timing, resisting the burnout that comes from adopting the relentless pace of the world.

RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:

• Christianity Today
• Soulfire International Ministries
• Books mentioned:
  • Nailing It, by Nicole Massie Martin
  • Life of the Beloved, by Henri Nouwen
  • Abba’s Child, by Brennan Manning
  • Surrender to Love, by David Benner
  • Emotionally Healthy Spirituality, by Peter Scazero
  • Falling Upward, by Richard Rohr
• Related episodes:
  • 112. The Beatitudes and Spiritual Leadership, with Mark Scandrette
  • 252. Navigating the Pain of Being Othered, with Jenai Auman

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