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Feb 18, 2025 • 47min

256. Digital Disruption and the Future of the Church, with Rex Miller, author of The Millenium Matrix

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!AI, social media, and other technologies are transforming community, worship, and leadership. To stay effective, ministry leaders must understand these shifts—but also learn from the past. How do today’s technologies compare to those of previous eras? This perspective can help us navigate the future.In this episode, I’m joined by Rex Miller, author of The Millennium Matrix. A futurist and expert in leading through change, Rex will share insights on how cultural and technological shifts impact ministry and how we can adapt.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Rex Miller explores the impact of communication changes on Christianity over the centuries.The Millennium Matrix analyzes shifts in communication and their effects on church culture.Rex Miller describes the transformation from an oral culture to print culture through technological advancements like the Gutenberg printing press.The broadcast era introduced personality-driven leadership and large-scale praise and worship experiences in churches.Rex Miller explains the transition from analog to digital technology and its wider implications.Digital culture fosters interactive, networked communication that reshapes organizational and cultural dynamics.In the social mobile era, personalized and real-time interactions dominate communication patterns.Rex Miller predicts that AI will enhance personalization and autonomy in community formation.The shift from community-centric oral culture to individualistic broadcast culture reflects changes in authority structures.Markus Watson delves into how shifting cultural frameworks affect pastoral leadership and church practices.Rex Miller sees potential in decentralized, grassroots approaches to modern church gatherings.The opportunities for direct community involvement and personalized content create new forms of ministry.Rex Miller highlights how technological changes continuously reshape leadership and organizational strategies.Church leaders must transition from a certainty mindset to one of curiosity to adapt effectively to cultural changes.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Rex Miller:Rexmiller.comLinked InMind ShiftGenius SparkBooks mentioned:The Millenium Matrix, by Rex MillerNeuromancer, by William GibsonMovies mentioned:Jesus RevolutionPleasantvilleRelated episodes:118. Forecasting and Innovation, with Tom Sine and Dwight Friesen147. Is Innovation Inherently Good? with Andrew Root155: Leadership and Looking to the Future, with Tom SineClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.
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Feb 11, 2025 • 6min

255. Mission-Centered Decision Making, a Quick Conversation with Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Based on their experiences as pastors, Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson explore the delicate balance between seeking consensus through voting and the necessity of leading with focus and clarity. They delve into the unique challenges and responsibilities that come with adaptive leadership, emphasizing the importance of mission-driven decisions.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Uli Chi in Ep. 240. Leading with Wisdom from Above, with Uli Chi:“There are times when leaders lead by providing focus and clarity, rather than simply taking a vote on everything.”THIS EPISODES HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders guide by offering focus and clarity, not just by voting on every decision.Decisive leadership is necessary in complex situations.Effective pastors highlight the mission and encourage their boards to make decisions accordingly.True leadership sometimes requires addressing difficult truths instead of seeking unanimous consensus.Providing focus and clarity often involves asking the right questions to guide the team's decision-making process.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.
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Feb 4, 2025 • 39min

254. Endless Expectations and Emotional Exhaustion, with Jonathan Hoover, author of Stress Fracture

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Burnout. An all too familiar experience for most of us.  It's more than just feeling tired or overworked. It's that crushing sense of futility when your passion for ministry runs out, and it leaves you wondering if you can even continue the work you were once so excited about.Jonathan Hoover, the author of Stress Fracture, Your Ultimate Guide to Beating Burnout, shares valuable insights from his experience and research, including practical strategies for managing stress, the importance of self-care, and maintaining emotional and spiritual health in leadership. THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jonathan Hoover shares the significant stress his father faced while pastoring their church.Jonathan Hoover explains how his father experienced severe emotional and physical symptoms of burnout.Markus Watson asks about the role of spirituality in addressing burnout.Jonathan Hoover highlights how the biblical story of Elijah offers insights into addressing burnout through rest and care.The world tempts people to believe they are infinite, leading to stress and burnout.Jonathan Hoover talks about 'super rats' and the dangers of endless adaptation to stress.Creating margin in life by setting limits can help prevent burnout.Monitoring multiple aspects of life, such as physical and emotional health, can help manage burnout.Jonathan Hoover introduces the concept of emotional exhaustion and how it impacts emotional regulation.Emotional intelligence decreases as emotional exhaustion increases.Burnout leads to a loss of passion and a fatalistic outlook on success.Minimizing distractions and increasing self-awareness are crucial in preventing burnout.To prevent burnout, people need to realize their own limits and adjust their workloads.Jonathan Hoover explains that emotional awareness is necessary for making lifestyle adjustments.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Jonathan Hoover:Website – drjonathanhoover.comChurch website - Newspring.orgBooks mentioned:Stress Fracture, by Jonathan HooverLeadership on the Line, by Ronald Heifetz and Marty LinskyRelated episodes:136. Healthy Attachment and Spiritual Leadership, with Todd Hall175. From Burnout to Resilience, with Jason Young179. The Neuroscience of Spiritual Formation, with Jim WilderClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.
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Jan 28, 2025 • 6min

253. Leading from a Place of Inner Abundance, a Quick Conversation with Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson explore the essential question: "What thirsts of my soul am I bringing to my congregation?" They discuss the importance of leaders acknowledging their own needs and the dangers of seeking fulfillment from their congregations instead of God. Learn how aligning personal needs with God's guidance can help leaders bring true abundance to their communities.Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson discuss this quote from Alan Fadling in Ep 238, Lead with Less Anxiety:"What thirsts of my soul am I bringing to my congregation in hopes they'll meet me there rather than learning to take the thirsts of my soul to God so that God could meet me in those places? And then I could bring abundance to the community of people entrusted to me.”THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Leaders must acknowledge their needs to avoid seeking affirmation from their congregations improperly.Effective leaders should bring their soul’s needs to God rather than their congregations.Leaders face the temptation of people-pleasing, which can derail their adherence to God's mission.Being transparent about personal needs helps leaders avoid subconscious behaviors that could hinder mission-focused leadership.Fulfilling personal needs through appropriate relationships prevents dependence on congregational approval.Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.
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Jan 21, 2025 • 48min

252. Navigating the Pain of Being "Othered," with Jenai Auman, author of Othered

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!This episode tackles the topic of being "othered" by those in church leadership, an important conversation for anyone in ministry leadership who wants to understand how to create an environment of embrace, of love, of belonging—and of being a healthy team.Jenai Auman, the author of Othered, discusses her personal experiences of being othered by church leaders, the impact it had on her, and how leaders can cultivate communities marked by shalom and hesed.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Jenai Auman shares her struggles with toxic issues and resistance at a church where she was on staff.Advocacy for personal boundaries led to Jenai being labeled as the problem and asked to leave the church.Individuals often remain in unhealthy environments due to a shallow understanding of love and belonging, influenced by past trauma.Jenai Auman identifies with domestic violence survivors in her determination to fix the system from within.Through her painful experience, Jenai Auman gained transformative wisdom and spiritual growth.Emphasizing the importance of healing, Jenai Auman aims to avoid bitterness and repeating the harm done to her.The hesed of God demonstrates loving kindness and compassion, aiming for wholeness in a fractured world.The zero-sum game misconception causes competition for comfort and peace, but God's shalom advocates for abundance.By adopting an open-handed posture towards others, we mirror God's nature, fostering inclusivity and belonging.Jenai Auman advises those feeling othered to recognize their inherent belovedness without seeking external validation.Church leaders should focus on self-reflection and compassion, avoiding defensive othering.Jenai Auman discusses the concept of shalom as a state of peace involving love, wisdom, and understanding personal stories.Naming experiences of othering is crucial for healing, enabling reconciliation and peace.Jenai Auman reflects on how her experiences with othering have shaped her understanding of mutuality and divine love.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Jenai Auman:WebsiteSubstackEmailBooks mentioned:Othered, by Jenai AumanRelated episodes:82: Narcissism and Spiritual Leadership, with Chuck DeGroat92. Against a Culture of Abuse, with Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer163. You Can’t Be Found if You’re Never Lost, with Steve CarterClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.
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Jan 14, 2025 • 7min

251. How Church Leaders Can Overcome Fear and Build Trust, a Quick Conversation with Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson

Fear significantly influences congregations, and leaders must address it openly. Technical expertise plays a crucial role in building trust within communities. Compassionately guiding individuals through their anxieties, especially during change, is essential. Creating an empathetic environment ensures no one faces fear alone. Directly addressing resistance can help transform fear into faith, fostering gradual progress and unity among congregants.
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Jan 7, 2025 • 38min

250. The Prophetic Challenge of Deconstruction, with Scot McKnight, author of Invisible Jesus

Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!In this episode, we’re taking a deep-dive into the complex and, at times, nerve-wracking experience of deconstruction. Leaders often worry about its impact on their roles, their authority, and on the harmony or unity of their church communities. But what if deconstruction is less about tearing down faith and more about stripping away what's non-essential, centering instead on Jesus?In this epidsode, Scot McKnight, author of Invisible Jesus, sheds light on how deconstruction can be a path to a more Christ-focused faith, emphasizing the importance of creating supportive spaces for exploring and asking questions. This conversation is crucial for ministry leaders navigating their own or their congregants' journeys of faith reformation.THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Markus Watson addresses the nervousness leaders feel about deconstruction and its potential impacts on their beliefs.Scot McKnight highlights that leaders fear deconstruction because it threatens their job security, authority, and influence.People undergoing deconstruction can disrupt church communities, creating anxiety about church teachings.Markus Watson emphasizes the need for leaders to find safe spaces outside their church community for discussing deconstruction.Scot McKnight suggests that churches should support and provide safe exploration spaces instead of trying to control questioning individuals.Pastors face pressure to have all the answers, and questioning can trigger their insecurities about their role and authority.Markus Watson discusses how churches need to shift their culture to become open to questioning and changes.Scot McKnight reflects on his book "Invisible Jesus," addressing how deconstruction is not about abandoning faith but refocusing on Christ by removing non-essential elements.A study cited by Scot McKnight shows that 86% of people who undergo deconstruction remain in the church, although they may change congregations.Deconstruction resembles a personal Protestant Reformation where individuals reassess and personalize their faith journey.Scot McKnight draws parallels between deconstruction and historical movements aimed at shedding unnecessary church practices or beliefs, focusing on continual reform.Scot McKnight states that Jesus acted as a deconstructor, challenging the law within Judaism similar to the prophets.The church's role should involve listening to deconstructors rather than fearing or dismissing them, promoting an adaptive leadership approach.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Scot McKnight:SubstackBooks mentioned:Invisible Jesus, by Scot McKnight and Tommy PhillipsA Church Called Tov, by Scot McKnight and Laura BarringerRevelation for the Rest of Us, by Scot McKnight and Cody MatchettRelated episodes:171. Leading Your Ministry as a Dissident Disciple, with Scot McKnight98. Deconstruction and Reconstruction, with A.J. Swoboda92. Against a Culture of Abuse, with Scot McKnight and Laura BarringerClick HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.
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Dec 31, 2024 • 7min

249. Balancing Tradition and Innovation in Church Leadership, a Quick Conversation with Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson

Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson dive into the challenge of leading churches in a rapidly changing world. They discuss how honoring tradition doesn't mean rejecting innovation. The conversation highlights adaptive leadership, which encourages churches to experiment on the edges while respecting their heritage. Teams can introduce effective changes through modest experiments, ensuring that both historical values and contemporary needs are met. Discover how faith communities can thrive by blending old with new!
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Dec 24, 2024 • 8min

248. Ministry's Heavy Burdens and the Christmas Promise of Rest

As the holiday season approaches, the discussion centers on the immense pressure faced by ministry workers. It highlights the emotional fatigue that comes from juggling professional duties while caring for loved ones. Personal stories reveal the weight of responsibility, paralleling the weariness felt by biblical figures like the shepherds and magi. An inspiring message emphasizes Jesus’ invitation to find rest and relief amid life's demands, encouraging listeners to lean on faith during tough times.
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Dec 17, 2024 • 9min

247. The Kingdom of God as Present Reality, a Quick conversation with Tod Bolsinger and Markus Watson

Explore the Kingdom of God as a vibrant way of life instead of a distant destination. The conversation dives into how embracing God's will can shift leadership and community dynamics. Personal stories highlight the journey of young Christians grappling with this transformative view. Discover the importance of embodying Jesus' teachings through love and mindfulness in daily interactions. This insightful discussion encourages reflection on living out the reality of God's reign in the here and now.

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