Value Investing with Legends
Charley Ellis - The Evolution of the Asset Management Industry
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Quick takeaways
- Asset management industry evolved from few experts to saturated market of skilled professionals.
- Significant transformations include deregulation, rise of algorithmic trading, and focus on minimizing losses.
- Legends like Jack Bogle and David Swenson shaped investment industry with long-term strategies and innovative approaches.
Deep dives
Charlie Ellis's Strategy Consulting Firm: Greenwich Associates
Charlie Ellis founded Greenwich Associates in 1972, a strategy consulting firm focused on the financial institution industry, providing insights into what works in organizations and markets over the past five decades. By gathering feedback as a neutral third party, the company assessed competition and strengths within the industry through client evaluations, offering valuable information to improve competitive positions.
Evolution of Asset Management Industry
The asset management industry has witnessed significant changes over time, with the shift from predominantly amateur investors to highly skilled professionals armed with advanced technology and research capabilities. The number of individuals involved in investment management has increased substantially, leading to a more competitive landscape. Notable transformations include the deregulation of commissions in 1975, the rise of quantitative algorithmic trading, and the emphasis on minimizing losses in investment strategies.
Jack Bogle and Vanguard's Legacy
Jack Bogle, known for advocating indexing, played a significant role in shaping the investment industry with his emphasis on long-term strategies and integrity. While credited for his contributions, his legacy also raises questions about the enhanced persona versus the real individual. Vanguard's innovations, such as indexing and prime capitalism, saw success under leaders like Gus Sauter and Jack Brennan, highlighting the collaborative efforts that drove key initiatives within the organization.
John's Disciplined Approach to Investment Management
John implemented a disciplined approach to investment management by setting specific criteria such as high book value and a 7% growth minimum. His rigorous work ethic and commitment to research allowed him to make decisions with strong conviction. Even without modern technologies like Bloomberg terminals, John's meticulous reading of financial news and his exceptional memory set him apart as one of the best investment managers during a time of less market complexity.
David Swenson's Transformation of Yale's Endowment Model
David Swenson revolutionized Yale's endowment model by seeking competitive advantages in underexplored markets like private equity and hedge funds. By carefully selecting top investment managers, Yale shifted from traditional investments to a diversified portfolio that included international investing and venture capital. Swenson's strategic vision and emphasis on long-term investment approaches significantly increased Yale's endowment contributions to the university, showcasing the power of innovative investment strategies.
Over the past several decades, asset management has transformed from a small industry with a few experts competing against a majority of amateurs in the market to a market saturated with well-equipped and highly resourced experts competing against each other.
When I think about my pantheon of all-time great investment thinkers and writers, our guest today stands out as one of the industry's legends. Charley Ellis has played the most significant role in how I think about the investment industry, and I can’t think of anyone better to talk about the industry's evolution.
Dr. Charles D. Ellis is the founder and former managing partner of Greenwich Associates, an international consultancy where he advised large institutional investors, foundations, and government organizations in more than 130 financial markets across the globe. Through that lens, he has been a keen observer of what works in organizations and markets for the last half-century. For nine years, Charley was chair of the Investment Committee at Yale, his alma mater, where he worked closely with its legendary Chief Investment Officer, David Swensen. He also served as a director of the Vanguard Group from 2001 to 2009. Charlie is a Harvard Business School graduate and has taught advanced investing courses at both Yale and Harvard. The CFA Institute recognized him as one of the twelve leading contributors to the investment profession, and along the way, Charlie has published nineteen books.
In this episode, Tano, Charley, and I discuss what inspired him to found Greenwich Associates, what goes into identifying the right questions to ask, how the industry has shifted from a winner’s game to a loser’s game, the massive changes in the asset management industry since the founding of Greenwich Associates, lessons from the Yale endowment model, Charley’s book recommendations, and so much more!
Key Topics:
- Welcome Charley to the show (1:13)
- How Charley’s early experience at Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette inspired the concept for Greenwich Associates (3:07)
- Structuring research and gathering the right kinds of questions (7:51)
- How Charley developed a passion for sharing insights with the public at large (10:00)
- The dual roles of academia and the industry itself in the evolution of the asset management industry (11:46)
- Simon Ramo and The Loser’s Game (13:33)
- Massive changes in the asset management industry since Charley founded Greenwich Associates (19:07)
- Why it was much easier for active managers to beat the market in the early days of the industry (25:03)
- Understanding the relentless pace of competition (29:35)
- The importance of actively determining the right investment strategy for you (32:44)
- Charley’s perspective on the legacy of Vanguard’s Jack Bogle (37:26)
- Why Charley cites John Neff as the best active manager of his time (43:27)
- David Swenson’s capacity for innovative thinking (46:51)
- Lessons from the Yale endowment model (51:02)
- Highlights from Charley’s book, Capital (58:38)
- Essential elements of creating and perpetuating a great culture (1:00:06)
- Why the willingness to address problems head-on is crucial in sustaining excellence (1:02:30)
- Charlie’s excitement about our education system (1:06:19)
- Which overlooked issue does Charlie wish garnered more attention? (1:07:07)
- Charley’s book recommendations (1:12:09)
- And much more!
Mentioned in this Episode:
- Charley Ellis’ Books
- Figuring It Out: Sixty Years of Answering Investors' Most Important Questions
- Inside Vanguard: Leadership Secrets From the Company That Continues to Rewrite the Rules of the Investing Business
- Winning the Loser's Game: Timeless Strategies for Successful Investing
- Capital: The Story of Long-Term Investment Excellence
- What It Takes: Seven Secrets of Success from the World's Greatest Professional Firms
- Charley Ellis’ Articles
- Burton G. Malkiel’s Book | A Random Walk Down Wall Street: The Best Investment Guide That Money Can Buy
- Neil deGrasse Tyson’s Book | Astrophysics for People in a Hurry
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